View Poll Results: Is the report system good for the game and community?

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  • The report/mute system is a good idea and its working properly, leave it be.

    155 20.50%
  • It could use some adjustments, but the idea of global mute as punishment is fine.

    180 23.81%
  • The idea &/or the execution of the system are essentially flawed, the system needs to be removed.

    421 55.69%
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Thread: Is the mute system working to improve the community and gameplay experience?

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    Is the mute system working to improve the community and gameplay experience?

    Okay I'll try to make this post as balanced as possible, I'm AGAINST the mute system but i'll be objective, if I forgot to add a good thing of the system please say it and I'll add it to the main post

    PROS
    • - Reduces the amount of flaming
    • - Makes people more friendly
    • - Punishes bad words and attitudes
    • - It doesn't costs valve (Given its automated)



    CONS
    • - Cripples every team and player the muted player will play with while muted, extending the punishment to people who didn't have anything to do with the previous abuse
    • - Is automated, hence people CAN abuse it...they only abuse it less now because there's less reports (I'm not saying its always abused, because obviously a lot of mean players are muted as well)
    • - It NEEDS us to have less reports (2 only, so that it wont be abused as much) so people who play more than a couple games a week, run out of reports quickly, and both mean players and other types of game ruiners, walk off unpunished
    • - Gives a tool to trolls and game intentional game ruiners to ATTACK other players and actually have an EFFECT and PUNISH the other person without any admin/mod intervention (Something I have NEVER seen on ANY game EVER)
    • - Makes players AFRAID of making funny comments when something happens in game "I survived with 3 hp :P luckyyyy" or other gentle/friendly taunts, as the other player might be a RagingReportTroll
    • - There's no REAL set of rules written down for which one player can or cannot report someone else (Is it okay to call someone "beginner" instead of "noob?" is "Noob okay?" is "Please, would you be kind enough to stop diving and suiciding 5v1?" an insult? (because a lot of people take it that way)
    • - You can make people think twice about saying "FUCKING RETARD" but you cant educate them in an online game, if they want to bitch at people they'll do, they already do with multiple accounts or simply not playing Sundays and Mondays



    I tried to simplify it as much as I could, but let me draw a

    Personal Conclusion:

    The mute system IS working as intended, its punishing players with a foul mouth, making them think twice about the stuff they do and say, however the problem are the side effects, the system is easily abused, valve knows this so well that they had to reduce the number of reports to 2 (When it used to be 8 not too long ago)...which doesnt matters that much if you play 1-4 games a week..but for hardcore games that play 3-5 days a DAY...have ANY of you reached next sunday still with reports left? (Having played your 3-5 daily games) I think not a lot of people are that lucky, which makes both raging players AND other types of game ruiners go unpunished.

    The chat wheel is a great idea, I use it every day muted or not, makes communication easier and faster...but there's SO MANY THINGS you cant say with a chat wheel that its..pretty much impossible to make one that works to replace text/voice communication, and yeah I KNOW thats part of the punishment, but it doesnt makes it fair for the rest of the team.

    I do know there's advantages to having this system, but I think the disadvantages considerably outweight the advantages.
    And on a side note, I think this guy makes a pretty solid point about the mute system, I agree with him 100%, if you are curious about it you should take a look http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=88485

    So please share your ideas, do you think the system is okay? why? Do you think its not okay? Why? Any opinions, suggestions, and be sure to vote in the public poll
    Last edited by Shmendrich; 05-23-2013 at 03:27 AM.
    Make a NON automated report system.
    I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
    Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
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    Meanwhile, In Otter's thread...

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    I fully support your signature Shmendrich

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    The mute system is entirely unnecessary. There is already an in-game mute button. Humorously, the global mute punishment does not take effect until AFTER the game ends, so if you want to squelch them in-game you still need to use that mute button. A much better alternative would be to simply have the person get flagged with some sort of little icon. This can be somewhat humiliating to them, and thus acts as a better punishment. It also tells people, hey, this guy's consistently a shitter, feel free to mute him, you won't miss much.
    With the current system, the player's team is punished far more than the player. The player can still receive warnings and communication from his allies, so he knows that the hasted Pudge is coming to tear him a new one. However, the most the muted player can do is call missing, so his allies won't know that there is an invisible windrunner coming for the perfect shackle.

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    Is working valve to make a better comunity , or is going for more money ? thats the question.

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    Can someone see the names of the voters? I made the poll public but for some reason I cant see them...

    And funny enough, I saw the poll it was 2 votes for SYSTEM ISH GOOD and 7 for NAH REMOVE IT

    and then I refreshed with F 5 and it was 3 to 6 o.0 can you change your votes?
    Make a NON automated report system.
    I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
    Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
    The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmendrich View Post
    Can someone see the names of the voters? I made the poll public but for some reason I cant see them...

    And funny enough, I saw the poll it was 2 votes for SYSTEM ISH GOOD and 7 for NAH REMOVE IT

    and then I refreshed with F 5 and it was 3 to 6 o.0 can you change your votes?
    Voter names are hidden. You cannot change votes.

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    I voted based on the poll question alone and I did not read OP's post. That said, I can clearly see what they are trying to do. Regardless of any changes made to the system, they have succeeded to a point. I had to vote that "The idea &/or the execution of the system are essentially flawed, the system needs to be removed." because I fundamentally believe that the punishment does not fit the crime and affects the punished player's teammates more than the punished player. GL with your poll OP, I hope it yields meaningful results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmendrich View Post
    Can someone see the names of the voters? I made the poll public but for some reason I cant see them...
    You can click the number of votes for the names of the voters.

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    I'd just like to say that such a poll is quite pointless, only a small % of players have an account on dev.dota. And people are more likely to make an account to say that they dislike the mute system, because those that don't have issues with it are enjoying the game, instead of spamming forums.
    Quote Originally Posted by vladhood View Post
    boy im glad all these qualified and educated game designers have come to the forums to help dota 2 grow

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