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awes0meaxel
06-02-2012, 12:54 AM
The stats don't lie. For every player that leaves TF2 cause the hats 'n such are so ridiculous, there's a lot more players that buy stuff, and a lot more that sign up. Same thing's gonna happen to dota2.
Valve is making money, and they won't scrap customization for a few whiners when there are loads more players buying stuff (including myself). As with any business, the primary goal is to make cash. And it would be a TERRIBLE decision to take away customization or allow people to hide it.

Top games by current player count:
Peak Today --------- Game

54,098 ------- Dota 2
52,786 ------- Team Fortress 2
(taken from steam store page)

The numbers don't lie my friends.

Konung
06-02-2012, 12:59 AM
There is a difference between good cosmetic and ridicilous ones that ruin the dota 2 atmosphere.

awes0meaxel
06-02-2012, 01:04 AM
There is a difference between good cosmetic and ridicilous ones that ruin the dota 2 atmosphere.

I present a quote made by user Banethulu in another thread, i couldn't have said it better myself.


do you have any idea of the stuff you are saying?

first of all you are treating valve as if they are idiots, they make a game called tf2 that they never took serious and want people to have fun with it and make a bunch of crazy stuff for the game, and then they make dota 2, a game that they are aware that must stay serious and competitive, but a little fun never hurt anyone. You going to the workshop is a good contribution but that doesn't mean you have to go there all the time, they are aware of what is too absurd for the game and what isn't, you seriously think they are gona add EVERYTHING in the workshop? not a 1/10 of what's in the tf2 workshop is in the game.

And you actually think competitive players are gonna leave the game because it add a feature that doesn't affect the game balance whatsoever? you must be smoking something rotten, these cosmetics are not ruining the game, they are just a little way of you having the freedom of customising the hero your own way.

If you hate it then just quit then, do it and stop QQing

m4rx
06-02-2012, 01:05 AM
There is a difference between good cosmetic and ridicilous ones that ruin the dota 2 atmosphere.


Q: If fans are creating content via Steam Workshop, how will you ensure it fits the theme of a hero/game?
A: We're acutely aware of the community's concerns around remaining true to the theme of the game, so much so that we think the community should be directly involved in the process of choosing what goes into it. The Steam Workshop allows you to submit your votes and thoughts on contributed items before we make any decision to put them into the game, so jump in and help us stay on the right track. We think the community at large is actually really good at making these kinds of decisions.

I hope you understand...

Konung
06-02-2012, 01:15 AM
I hope you understand...


I present a quote made by user Banethulu in another thread, i couldn't have said it better myself.

Oh, so that is why we already see stuff like pirate tidehunter...

awes0meaxel
06-02-2012, 02:33 AM
Oh, so that is why we already see stuff like pirate tidehunter...

Do i have to cut down the quote so you see the most important part?


If you hate it then just quit then, do it and stop QQing

ShadowThanatos
06-02-2012, 03:03 AM
Pirate Tide is normal.

Mechamother is. It does not fit her lore.

awes0meaxel
06-02-2012, 03:24 AM
Pirate Tide is normal.

Mechamother is. It does not fit her lore.

That's true. But valve knows what they're doing, obviously mechmother isn't gonna make it into the game, it's just a workshop item.

Arxos
06-02-2012, 03:52 AM
Pirate Tide is normal.

Mechamother is. It does not fit her lore.

Tidehunter is a freaking leviathan, he's not a pirate. It doesn't fit his lore at all and it doesn't fit him either.
Mechamother on the other hand is fine in my eyes. It completely replaces her old theme and puts on a new one.
On the other hand in the case of Tidehunter's pirate outfit he's STILL a Leviathan, but then suddenly puts on this pirate hat for no reason. Or no, correction, for shits and giggles.

It's a problem when themes get mixed together, that's what breaks immersion. As long as a theme is consistent an outfit is fine.

IKNK
06-02-2012, 04:55 AM
I second what Arxos said in his last sentence. ^

Shibubu
06-02-2012, 05:06 AM
Tidehunter is a freaking leviathan, he's not a pirate. It doesn't fit his lore at all and it doesn't fit him either.
Mechamother on the other hand is fine in my eyes. It completely replaces her old theme and puts on a new one.
On the other hand in the case of Tidehunter's pirate outfit he's STILL a Leviathan, but then suddenly puts on this pirate hat for no reason. Or no, correction, for shits and giggles.

It's a problem when themes get mixed together, that's what breaks immersion. As long as a theme is consistent an outfit is fine.

The way I see it, the themes would be mixed if Tide would have receive a cowboys hat. Anyway, I don't like the pirates hat for Tide. But not because it "doesn't fit his lore". Because it doesn't fit his model. A hat like that would never be able to stay on a head like that. Just sayin'.

Arxos
06-02-2012, 05:13 AM
The way I see it, the themes would be mixed if Tide would have receive a cowboys hat. Anyway, I don't like the pirates hat for Tide. But not because it "doesn't fit his lore". Because it doesn't fit his model. A hat like that would never be able to stay on a head like that. Just sayin'.
Well Tidehunter is just simply not a pirate. Relation to the sea doesn't suddenly mean he's a pirate.
But yeah it doesn't fit his model at all either, which is personally a bigger point for me as well rather than his lore, but I just went with what this thread was already going with.

Timbonator
06-02-2012, 05:27 AM
I like the shop as long as they keep the feeling of a hero intact. I'll give a good and bad example in my eyes:
Kunka: he has perfect items that all fit the theme of being an admiral sailing the sees. Eyepatch, wooden leg, captains hat, they all fit the hero
Invoker: wearing an exort themed dress since that is his specialisation is perfectly fine. It fits him while still making him look different
Tidehunter: It's fine if he would hold a squid in his hand, have a kraken shell on his back or something, it makes him a slightly different species, but why would he put a squid on his head, have bones sticking out of his body or suddenly become a pirate. It just doesn't make sense therefor I think this is a bad example of keeping a hero's theme intact.
I really hope valve will not put this wacky stuff in the game anymore

Van!
06-02-2012, 06:26 AM
Tidehunter is a freaking leviathan, he's not a pirate. It doesn't fit his lore at all and it doesn't fit him either.

Wrong! Tide hunts all who stray into his path, man or meranth. Isn't that pirate like?

Arxos
06-02-2012, 07:07 AM
Wrong! Tide hunts all who stray into his path, man or meranth. Isn't that pirate like?
Yeah, just like a serial killer.
Or a Chaos Marine. Someone make a Chaos Marine equipment set for Tidehunter please.
In fact now that I think about it, this generic monster in a generic movie I once saw killed everything in its path, could we have a some equipment to turn Tidehunter into this generic monster?
In the end you're probably just trolling though.

Van!
06-02-2012, 07:12 AM
No I am not.
Read his bio.

Besides, you are pulling things out of context. It's not like he has absolutely no connection to piracy.

Hefaistus
06-02-2012, 07:17 AM
Is it really that hard to imagine that those items are trophies he took from pirates he killed? Used as intimidation? Heck, the lore on the pirate flag even says:
The remains of a once terrible icon, now a symbol of the Tidehunter's power.

The pirate items hardly differ from the executioner's belt of Axe, Axe's stone armor and Kunkka's rapier. They are all trophies, serving as a message about their past victories. Why are the pirate items suddenly such a problem, lorewise?

Hefaistus
06-02-2012, 07:32 AM
Says the person that doesn't realize that the 'symbol' is the one that refers to the flag, not the icon. Doesn't take away either that these items are trophies, which was my original point.

ravn
06-02-2012, 07:54 AM
Well as everyone says: Valve should just make a disable function for those who doesn't like it.
The people that enjoy wierd/funny outfits for their heroes will be able to enjoy it, and the people that don't like it, will just be seeing the normal heroes.

DarkLite
06-02-2012, 07:59 AM
My personal test works like this: Can I imagine that being the hero's default skin, that he was released with? Does it fit with the lore and the hero itself?

Which is probably why I'm fine with mechabrood, since that seems to me to tie in with the "Magnetic Ziggurat" mentioned in her lore.

Arxos
06-02-2012, 09:10 AM
No I am not.
Read his bio.

Besides, you are pulling things out of context. It's not like he has absolutely no connection to piracy.
His connection to it is that he eats them.

And DarkLite puts it in a good perspective also.

awes0meaxel
06-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Is it really that hard to imagine that those items are trophies he took from pirates he killed? Used as intimidation? Heck, the lore on the pirate flag even says:
The remains of a once terrible icon, now a symbol of the Tidehunter's power.

The pirate items hardly differ from the executioner's belt of Axe, Axe's stone armor and Kunkka's rapier. They are all trophies, serving as a message about their past victories. Why are the pirate items suddenly such a problem, lorewise?

Agreed.

Sol Invictus
06-02-2012, 05:18 PM
The pirate items are a problem not lorewise, but cosmetically. There's a difference between Tidehunter's pirate outfit/Ursa's cowboy outfit and, say, the Axe oufits, Bloodseeker ritual garb, Invoker robes, etc. The latter are serious costumes that are different from their stock appearance but are still "serious," like something the heroes would actually wear. On the other hand, the pirate/cowboy hats look silly and give the impression that they are joke accessories made for comedic value.

OrangeSky
06-02-2012, 05:59 PM
Derp, we know this is good for Valve (r u fucking srs?), we are whining because it's bad for us (players).

Toastedyogurt
06-02-2012, 08:28 PM
Pirate tidehunter is just fine. He hunted pirates, so he probably has some of their gear.

SomeAsian
06-02-2012, 09:26 PM
Pirate Tide - a sentient monster decides to wear the garb of his enemies in order to intimidate and mock their futility.

Mech Mother - we have a hero that shoots high powered laser beams and heat-seeking missiles. We also happen to have creatures from outer space and beings from a different time plane. Is it so hard to accept that a machine from the future got sent through a stray time portal? Or that these powerful ancients (or whatever the leaders of Dire and Radients are) summoned them through time? The only minor problem I see with Mech Mother is how one would go about implementing mechanical spiderlings (even that can be justified if you assume that it contains spider egg nurseries inside).

Alpine Ursa - ...actually I got nothing for him. But then again why do bear people wear clothes and pants to begin with, anyways?

More or less, arguments about what should be accepted and what shouldn't are highly subjective (even my opinions). I'm sure Valve will stay within boundaries that are reasonable for most people, even more so with the community voting system in place.

I don't see it in this thread, but I think it's extremely retarded that people are declaring that "Valve doesn't care" about people who don't like the new cosmetics, before even seeing a response from Valve. It would be like if I said you guys would respond to this thread if you care about this issue, and then I post

SomeAsian
06-02-2012, 09:26 PM
"You guys just don't care about this issue", before you have time to respond.

Give it time, nitwits.

m4rx
06-03-2012, 03:05 AM
Pirate Tide - a sentient monster decides to wear the garb of his enemies in order to intimidate and mock their futility.

Mech Mother - we have a hero that shoots high powered laser beams and heat-seeking missiles. We also happen to have creatures from outer space and beings from a different time plane. Is it so hard to accept that a machine from the future got sent through a stray time portal? Or that these powerful ancients (or whatever the leaders of Dire and Radients are) summoned them through time? The only minor problem I see with Mech Mother is how one would go about implementing mechanical spiderlings (even that can be justified if you assume that it contains spider egg nurseries inside).



Alpine Ursa - ...actually I got nothing for him. But then again why do bear people wear clothes and pants to begin with, anyways?

More or less, arguments about what should be accepted and what shouldn't are highly subjective (even my opinions). I'm sure Valve will stay within boundaries that are reasonable for most people, even more so with the community voting system in place.

I don't see it in this thread, but I think it's extremely retarded that people are declaring that "Valve doesn't care" about people who don't like the new cosmetics, before even seeing a response from Valve. It would be like if I said you guys would respond to this thread if you care about this issue, and then I post

+1
If some people don't like that's items please give away to me for now i still don't have anything in my inventory :D
Also for some people hate custom items never affected to steam stats (how many people play Dota 2 Today)

I think Valve have Genius developer like icefrog to keep Custom items in track....

dvine
06-03-2012, 03:24 AM
A pirate hat on Tidehunter is really stretching it, and there's reason to complain express concern or displeasure. This is a suggestion forum and complaints or ideas should be expressed here. If Valve wanted to get positive feedback on everything they did these forums wouldn't exist. If anything your post is whining exclusively since it doesn't even contribute any thoughts about the game. It's simply your emotional opinion trying to defend Valve. Valve doesn't need your protection if you couldn't figure this out.

A mechanical Broodmother is totally stupid and utterly forced into the game without any need to exist. If you can't think of 1,000 other better ideas before making a mechanical Broodmother then creative design isn't for you this lifetime so return back to the shovel. The same with that Alpine theme for Ursa and a few others. There's an infinite amount of GOOD ideas so why should we accept the stuff that's at the bottom of the barrel? Try adding more good stuff instead of picking the worse stuff you can grab out of the clown bin.

They already proved they've got good artistic sense. We don't need clown gear when we can receive actually well designed customization like the juggernaut swords, couriers, and stuff which fits the characters. If you want to walk around in-game with clown shoes to the match real life then go for it in another game instead, please.

ShadowThanatos
06-03-2012, 04:18 AM
My personal test works like this: Can I imagine that being the hero's default skin, that he was released with? Does it fit with the lore and the hero itself?

Which is probably why I'm fine with mechabrood, since that seems to me to tie in with the "Magnetic Ziggurat" mentioned in her lore.

That Ziggurat, will pull her spiderlings toward it everyday, which already gave her a reason to kill the master of it, not wait until he denied protecting the place.

About her creation, look, she will be an invention of god-knows-who. She won't be simply created from a pile of metal craps that magically crafted itself and got the breath of life inside the machine. Lets say the master of the Ziggurat created her, hey, he probably made her loyal to him. Lets say the Magnetic power of the Ziggurat accidentally created her, what programmed her head? a combination of tons of mother spirit?


For centuries, Black Arachnia the Broodmother lurked in the dark lava tubes beneath the smoldering caldera of Mount Pyrotheos, raising millions of spiderlings in safety before sending them to find prey in the wide world above. In a later age, the Vizier of Greed, Ptholopthales, erected his lodestone ziggurat on the slopes of the dead volcano, knowing that any looters who sought his magnetic wealth must survive the spider-haunted passages. After millennia of maternal peace, Black Arachnia found herself beset by a steady trickle of furfeet and cutpurses, bold knights and noble youths--all of them delicious, certainly, and yet tending to create a less than nurturing environment for her innocent offspring. Tiring of the intrusions, she paid a visit to Ptholopthales; and when he proved unwilling to discuss a compromise, she wrapped the Vizier in silk and set him aside to be the centerpiece of a special birthday feast. Unfortunately, the absence of the Magnetic Ziggurat's master merely emboldened a new generation of intruders. When one of her newborns was trodden underfoot by a clumsy adventurer, she reached the end of her silken rope. Broodmother headed for the surface, declaring her intent to rid the world of each and every possible invader, down to the last Hero if necessary, until she could ensure her nursery might once more be a safe and wholesome environment for her precious spiderspawn.

Oh wait, she was there long time ago, before the Ziggurat itself is created.

Soooooo, who created her and dropped her inside the dark lava tubes?

=====>Mechamother is out-of-place. Does not fit the lore.

Unless they add something into the lore, which I will humbly against.

SomeAsian
06-03-2012, 07:14 AM
A pirate hat on Tidehunter is really stretching it, and there's reason to complain express concern or displeasure. This is a suggestion forum and complaints or ideas should be expressed here. If Valve wanted to get positive feedback on everything they did these forums wouldn't exist. If anything your post is whining exclusively since it doesn't even contribute any thoughts about the game. It's simply your emotional opinion trying to defend Valve. Valve doesn't need your protection if you couldn't figure this out.

A mechanical Broodmother is totally stupid and utterly forced into the game without any need to exist. If you can't think of 1,000 other better ideas before making a mechanical Broodmother then creative design isn't for you this lifetime so return back to the shovel. The same with that Alpine theme for Ursa and a few others. There's an infinite amount of GOOD ideas so why should we accept the stuff that's at the bottom of the barrel? Try adding more good stuff instead of picking the worse stuff you can grab out of the clown bin.

They already proved they've got good artistic sense. We don't need clown gear when we can receive actually well designed customization like the juggernaut swords, couriers, and stuff which fits the characters. If you want to walk around in-game with clown shoes to the match real life then go for it in another game instead, please.

People who are fine with what they are given are far less likely to speak up than people who are discontent. It's not protecting Valve, it's expressing my own opinions on the matter to show that there are people who would be fine with blademother (pirate tide and alpine ursa are stretching it for me, too, to be honest). The same as what everyone who is complaining about the new items are doing.

The later parts of my post weren't towards anything I see in this thread (as I said before), but more against something like this:
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/discussion/900965053739831155/?appid=570

I didn't want to make a separate post to express my annoyance on such attitude, so I decided to include it in a post where it would be admittedly ineffective.

Also, as I said. Opinions on what is acceptable for some item (blademother) is very divergent, even among those who reject others like pirate tide and alpine ursa. I won't argue for them any more, though, since I know that I am stretching it, but I think that cosmetic sets that create a completely different hero with a different set of lore (like blademother would have to) with the same functions as another is acceptable.

Banethulhu
06-03-2012, 07:51 AM
There is a difference between good cosmetic and ridicilous ones that ruin the dota 2 atmosphere.

what's items in the shop out already are so ridulous? i'd like to know


I present a quote made by user Banethulu in another thread, i couldn't have said it better myself.

thanks, but I said that out of pure frustration, that guy (probably troll, he even got banned) was really pissing me off