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  • 2 Problems with Bots

    I played two games today as Bounty Hunter, and I noticed 2 things with the bots. First thing, I was being chased across the map by the whole enemy team, and none of my teammates came to help after signaling the location. Second thing, the bot for Windrunner is ridiculously stupid. She runs into lanes 1v3 and dies, doesn't spam Powershot to defend towers, and uses Focus Fire very late in a team fight

  • #2
    Windrunner needs to use powershot a lot more. I've seen her let so many kills get away, and she almost never uses it after a perfect shakleshot. All the bots love to run into 1v3 situations, though.

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    • #3
      I also noticed that windrunner tends to defend the base with only a fraction of her mana left, when she could easily run back to fountain to refill. this comes together with her being incapable of using powershot propperly to defend, making her really bad at defensive plays. standing right behind the t3 tower with only 200 mana is a guaranteed death every teamfight.

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      • #4
        Speaking of windrunner bot, why in the world does she always rush blademail? Doesn't seem optimal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gnomocide View Post
          Speaking of windrunner bot, why in the world does she always rush blademail? Doesn't seem optimal.
          They wanted a bot to test Blademail on. It's only in her build to make sure bots use it properly. Then again, Razor also has it so I dunno if two heroes really need it.

          But yeah, Windrunner seems to have issues. In lane she needs to be a lot less eager to use Shackleshot. She uses it very frequently and then doesn't even follow up with auto-attacks. This results in her draining her mana early for no real effect. Shackle should only be used if she is in danger of dying or if she's going for a kill -- it isn't a harassment skill. Likewise, she almost never uses Powershot in lane.

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          • #6
            Good feedback on Windrunner, I'll take a look at her ability usage. And yeah given that Razor has blademail, I'll switch her loadout to something a little more reasonable.

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            • #7
              I'm interested to see what you have in-store for Windrunner Chris, but if I may offer a suggestion (not sure if I should post it in the suggestion thread if there is one, but I figured since this is specifically for her I may as well post it here), why not try out Mekansm on her? Currently we have no bots that build it and she's a good Mek carrier since she needs the armor and can be played as a fantastic support. This way you can test Mek on a bot and take another step to improving support bots.

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              • #8
                Made some revisions to Powershot usage, and swapped out Mek for Blademail. Try it out next update and see what you think.

                Also found and fixed an ugly bug that was causing the "find the optimal line on which to cast this linear effect" to gather way too many entities, which would cause badly-aimed Powershots and Fissures.

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                • #9
                  It would be awesome if you could change Juggers itembuild too. HotD first is crap. After that he opts for a BF, that he almost never completes before the 35-40 minute mark. Far from a decent itembuild. He is, in my opinion, the most useless AI hero in the pool and when he happens to be on my team, I usually restart to prevent anger. He always farms and suicides before the fight starts. Rather play 4v5...
                  Originally posted by biejis
                  I PLAY SUPP AND SHOW WARD ALLGAME, PEOPLE NOT LEARN NOT CHANGE, PLAY DOTA FOR LOSE A GAME

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                  • #10
                    A few things Ive noticed recently.

                    As Broodmother the bots kinda follow you in the web for a bit despite not having vision of you. They dont attack or anything but come up for a hug . It can be a problem if say you go invis and juggernaut is already spinning and following you, will probably be an issue with other bots as well in the future.

                    When roaming from bottom lane to top the bots take a very risky route via mid through the river and then up their own ramp mid often walking right past me farming especially if I am on top of the enemy ramp and they dont even stop it makes it a very easy kill especially if its Crystal Maiden. The creeps have vision of me so its not like they cant see me.

                    The bots seem to have taken up their old habit of aggressive fountain diving again which can be very intimidating for new players. Probably not so bad for co-op but on Easier and below solo v bots I dont think they should.
                    Last edited by Vimsey; 04-17-2012, 11:23 PM.

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                    • #11
                      In the updated version on the test client, I've noticed Windrunner is using Mek on people at the fountain. Easy fix.

                      In general she's running very low on mana at all times which makes her not quite able to contribute to the best of her abilities during team fights. I've noticed she has used Windrun a few times when it wasn't necessary (she used it to run toward the courier to get her items, for instance). Check for this, and maybe make her a bit less willing to use Powershot on creeps as her mana gets lower so she has a full loadout ready for teamfights (this actually could be applied to any bot).

                      Either way, she's much better than she was before -- great at defending now and it's very nice having a bot that uses Mek now. Now time to get Tidehunter to buy Pipe. =]

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Karyoplasma View Post
                        It would be awesome if you could change Juggers itembuild too. HotD first is crap. After that he opts for a BF, that he almost never completes before the 35-40 minute mark. Far from a decent itembuild. He is, in my opinion, the most useless AI hero in the pool and when he happens to be on my team, I usually restart to prevent anger. He always farms and suicides before the fight starts. Rather play 4v5...
                        Ive noticed this too. Jugg is definitely more harm than help to the team hes on. I was messing around in bot games last night and the Jugg bot would nearly always die without a single cast in a team fight because he would never ulti, even if he was not CCed and being attacked.

                        I guess he likes to save his ulti when he can get all the slashes on 1 or 2 units but maybe he should be taught to use Omnislash to stall/save his life sometimes? Iirc he uses Blade Fury to run on low HP so theres a similar function in place already (maybe even teach him to BF -> Scroll heh).

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