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  • Is there even a point in making these threads?

    Seems like no one is even working on this thing. Same issues for months now.

  • #2
    Seems like the bots are on hold for a while now. I don't know if it's still appreciated to post bug reports and improvement idea, but I sure as hell know that it pisses me off that there wasn't even an announcement that bot development is halted. A quick "Hey guys, thanks for the feedback, but I got re-assigned to bug fixing right now, because they really needed a helping hand. ChrisC" wouldn't have been too much time lost.

    In our forum city the users cry a little pity
    for one more forgotten thread and a Valve that doesn't care.
    Originally posted by biejis
    I PLAY SUPP AND SHOW WARD ALLGAME, PEOPLE NOT LEARN NOT CHANGE, PLAY DOTA FOR LOSE A GAME

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    • #3
      there are bigger fish to fry, more expensive hats to be made. bots are not important at all, seriously, they are not

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      • #4
        Originally posted by knightsljx View Post
        there are bigger fish to fry, more expensive hats to be made. bots are not important at all, seriously, they are not
        and this post is constructive how?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Timelimit View Post
          and this post is constructive how?
          It's sarcasm meant to express concern regarding priorities
          Explanations on the normal, high and very high brackets in replays: here, here & here
          Why maphacks won't work in D2: here

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Nomad View Post
            It's sarcasm meant to express concern regarding priorities
            sarcasm really doesn't work all that well in text, especially not when you add "seriously" to your post, as that is generally an indicator that you are serious

            oh well

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Timelimit View Post
              sarcasm really doesn't work all that well in text, especially not when you add "seriously" to your post, as that is generally an indicator that you are serious
              Just like muted people spamming "Well played!" when you fuck up?
              Originally posted by biejis
              I PLAY SUPP AND SHOW WARD ALLGAME, PEOPLE NOT LEARN NOT CHANGE, PLAY DOTA FOR LOSE A GAME

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karyoplasma View Post
                Just like muted people spamming "Well played!" when you fuck up?
                uh no

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                • #9
                  is he back from vacation yet?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by topfeed View Post
                    is he back from vacation yet?
                    ChrisC has been putting up the change logs for months, it just seems he's moved on to other parts or some such...

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                    • #11
                      I hope they'd just release some kind of mod kit so we can add and edit bot AI ourselves or something. That way their dev team can focus on other things while the community can submit their versions of bots. Some of us play exclusively with/against bots, and would really like to see this aspect developed more. I'm sure we all have our opinions on how bots should build, etc., like why on earth does Traxex bot build two Wraith Bands instead of going for the Ring of Aquila?

                      And some bots seem like they could be implemented easily based on other existing bots, like Clinkz based on Drow Ranger/Bounty Hunter.

                      I'm just saying, if we had a means of fixing up the bots ourselves...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by H.T. View Post
                        I hope they'd just release some kind of mod kit so we can add and edit bot AI ourselves or something. That way their dev team can focus on other things while the community can submit their versions of bots. Some of us play exclusively with/against bots, and would really like to see this aspect developed more. I'm sure we all have our opinions on how bots should build, etc., like why on earth does Traxex bot build two Wraith Bands instead of going for the Ring of Aquila?

                        And some bots seem like they could be implemented easily based on other existing bots, like Clinkz based on Drow Ranger/Bounty Hunter.

                        I'm just saying, if we had a means of fixing up the bots ourselves...
                        You can edit a bots item/skill build and his laning/picking/role preferences actually. It used to be quite a hot thing actually (you'll want to skip to page 3+'ish), but there was very little we could get out of ChrisC even though we had entire bots configured for optimal performance ready for copy/pasting. Like all we managed to get out of him was adjusting the boots choices for some heroes (not even all, Zeus and CM still have terrible boot choices) and a minor skill build change for CM and Necrolyte.

                        Since there's various out-of-date guides in that thread and I can't be bothered to find the other thread where I posted an up-to-date guide, I'll just post write one again:

                        1) Download and install GCFScape
                        2) Navigate to your dota 2/dota folder, open pak001_dir.vpk
                        3) Extract npc_heroes.txt from root/scripts/npc/
                        4) Open npc_heroes.txt, edit the bot builds to your liking
                        5) Put the npc_heroes.txt file in the dota 2/dota/scripts/npc/ folder
                        6) Go to Steam -> Dota 2 -> Properties -> Set launch options -> add "-console -override_vpk" (no quotes)
                        7) Start dota 2, then either start a practice vs bots match solo, or alternatively open the console (default key ~) and issue the following commands:
                        map dota
                        jointeam good/bad/spec (radiant/dire/spectator)
                        dota_bot_populate

                        In case you joined spectator, also issue the following command to prevent it from auto-ending the game: dota_surrender_on_disconnect 0
                        Mind you, the npc_heroes.txt file is updated weekly. You may get some weird errors like naked heroes or not being able to pick a newly added hero if you don't update it weekly. I've actually written an update tool for it but sadly my old PC's motherboard exploded so it's I can't get it easily until I get replacement.

                        If Valve actually shows any interest in it, I'm sure loads of people will start again, myself included. Or heck, just any update to the bots at all would be great, if a new hero is added I'm sure some threads will pop up of people discussing optimal item/skill build for the new bot.

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                        • #13
                          Oh that's good to know. I'll give it a try. But it's still sad to know that even that isn't able to add new bots to the game. Could be awesome to see Bristleback, Rooftrellen, Magnus or Pugna as bots.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arxos View Post
                            Mind you, the npc_heroes.txt file is updated weekly. You may get some weird errors like naked heroes or not being able to pick a newly added hero if you don't update it weekly. I've actually written an update tool for it but sadly my old PC's motherboard exploded so it's I can't get it easily until I get replacement.
                            You just gave me an incentive to re-learn some programming.
                            Originally posted by biejis
                            I PLAY SUPP AND SHOW WARD ALLGAME, PEOPLE NOT LEARN NOT CHANGE, PLAY DOTA FOR LOSE A GAME

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karyoplasma View Post
                              You just gave me an incentive to re-learn some programming.
                              My original plan was to make a fully fledged bot editor tool, but I'm not that amazing at GUI's (yet) and in the end just working with Notepad++ was faster. Regardless, the automatic update is a god send, honestly. I'll gladly upload it once I get access to my old PC again.

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