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So after playing a ton of matches with bots and realized that they are plagued with problems I decided to write the most common ones. As we know, their AI isnt great, specially if they are in your team. Bots also chase a hero like crazy and will focus on the human player most of the time. Ive got to admit, playing with bots is fucking frustrating sometimes, I think even more than playing against human players that are costing you the match.
-Team line up will decide the fate of your bots and most probably the match
If the enemy team picks either Luna, Necro, Warlock, Viper, Sven, Sniper or Chaos Knight, your bots will feed. It doesnt matter, these bots will wreck them. The only thing that may (may) avoid this is having your bots in a higher difficulty than the enemy team. However between Hard and Unfair there isnt much difference other than extra xp and gold (I refuse to put all enemy bots on medium). I just had a match where I was Pudge and my team was made of a Crystal Maiden (terrible bot), Earthshaker (not so good bot), Jakiro (its an ok bot) and Luna (one of the better bots). The enemy team picked Drow Ranger, Chaos Knight, Sven, Necro and Death Profet. All bots were on hard, except C.Knight that was on medium. Do I need to say how it went? I mean, they had 5 carries for gods sake. My bots feed like hell. Still, I ended up up 17-11 and we lost. Luna 12-14, CM 5-15 ES 6-14 and Jakiro 7-7. Not even with an enemy bot on medium difficulty the bots were useful. It doesn't matter how good you do, even if you dont die, your bots will always feed, its infuriating. The only solution is to buy boots of travel and split push if you know its over already, great, how fun is that.
You should be able to pick your team, period. The only thing you can do now is suggesting 2 heroes, which the bots will chose, but still you should be able to suggest the entire line up.
-Bots cant deal with Viper
Seriously, a Viper bot will end a game with 20+ kills. Just watch your bots initiate him in a 1vs1 only to retreat and face their death. Add a manta style and bkb to him and he becomes unstoppable. Suggest him for your team if you want an easy win.
-Bots cant deal with Warlock ult.
Do yourself a favour, if the enemy team picks Warlock, disconnect to avoid rage. I cant even count the numerous times I lost bot matches because of this. Not because I cant handle it, but your stupid bots cant. Everytime Warlock ults, he wipes out your entire team. Your bots dont know how to react, they even run back to the golems just to ensure they die to them, wtf is this shit? By the time you look at the score, Warlock already has +10 kills and Scepter. gg!
-Bots with orb walking tower dive you. Easy first blood.
Its stupidly easy to get Viper or Drow to tower dive you.
-Bots initiating vs a 5 man team
Another problem, bots will initiate even if they are outnumbered. I ping them to retreat but no, they will go for it, only feeding the enemy team some more. Hmm whats that Crystal Maiden? Going against them alone? Well Im sure she will do well.
-Bots stick as a 5 man team most of the time
Once mid game starts, enemy bots will stick together to push whatever tower has the least HP. This makes it hard to gank them, because if you get near, you will probably be stun locked to death. Bots also tend to TP their ENTIRE team when a human player is attacking one of their towers. I mean, I think one or two bots would be enough to defend it, but no, they all TP to try kill you.
-Bots will chase you from their base to your fountain
Nothing more needs to be said about this really. It applies to both teams.
-Sand King gets stuck on the trees if he uses burrowstrike. Then he doesn't get out, ever.
This usually happens in early game where the bot doesn't have a TP. He doesn't even uses tangos/burrowstrike again to get out and becomes stuck forever until you help him out.
-Zeus bot is the most worthless pile of shit if hes on your team
Great coding here Valve! This little shit wont kill anything with his ult other than kill stealing from you! I had matches where he could have killed 3, THREE FUCKING BOTS WITH HIS ULT, but what does he do? NOTHING. He just chases after them like a bloody retard. And then when Im going to kill this bot, here comes my last hit and gold.. YOU CANT RUN FROM HEAVEN ***ZAPPP*** KILL STEAL MOTHERFUCKER!
-Your Bots (not just Zeus) kill steal from you, the fuckers
Example: you're sniper/dragon knight/drow/any carry hero, and you're chasing down an enemy. The moment you start hitting him, lets say your Lina ally will chase him. That bitch will wait until the enemy hero is killable to use her dragon fire/ult to finish him off. This makes me fucking mad because you can see your bots just chasing the enemy and doing NOTHING, ZERO, they dont attack them despite being right behind, but the moment they go low hp and you're going for the final blow, BAM they throw their spells on them and get the gold. This just happen twice in the same match, its the same kind of behaviour everytime.
-Your Bots steal the runes if you're on mid
Got a bottle? Well too bad, that team bot just snatched that tasty regeneration rune... with fucking full HP.
-Your Bots will use courier to buy items that they can get at the side shop
Magic stick? Sage Mask? Fuck that, ill just the use the courier instead! Annoying if you're on mid and need to use it asap.
-Bots maphacking
Another thing that annoys me, bots seem to know exactly where you are, and theres no wards or anything. Are you farming in the Jungle? Well here comes a torrent out of nowhere and Kunkka and Lion, or a silence by Death Prophet (when you're clearly on fog of war). Other times a 5 man team will appear out of nowhere from the fog and insta-chain you to death. Trying to gank bots? Well watch how they retreat the exact moment you right click/ping on them. They also know where the runes will appear and snatch them before you.
-Bots avoiding Hooks/Suntrikes/Arrows
Painfully obvious when playing as Pudge. Bots will avoid them even if they have no vision of you. Same goes for Sunstrike. They wont most likely dodge when they are doing something else like focusing to kill a hero.
-Bots ignore your illusions and know who the real one is
This pisses me off so much, they always know which one is the real one and ignore the illusions. Getting an illusion rune is pretty much useless.
-Bots cheating mana
It seems this is a common issue where bots will pull mana out of their asses just to run away or harass you. Sven, Chaos Knight and Jakiro seem to be the ones that do this the most. Theres no magic stick, no clarity potion, nothing, they will just use it when they feel like it.
-Bots too aggressive in the laning phase
Enemy bots (Hard and Unfair) will throw everything at you in the lane, and if you add the mana cheating issue, this is a pain in the ass to deal with. Also they seem to be able to harass you by auto-attacking without even aggroing your creeps. (Im looking at you Witch Doctor) And what about your bots? They dont even harass the enemy as much they do to you.
-Bots cheating speed
I confirmed this in one ocasion by chasing a low hp Lion. I had 370 speed+ phase boots, he had 350 and mana boots, no drums, no buffs or debuffs (like Track or Warcry etc). I was right behind, running in a straight line, no fog of war, and I couldn't hit him once! This was the only time I was pretty sure bots were speed hacking. There has been other reports that you cant outrun certain bots when running away.
-Bots still buyback if killed by Necrolytes ultimate plus Scepter
You cant buyback if youre killed by Nectos ult+ scepter, however Ive seen bots do it, and its confirmed by other people.
-Bots godlike reactions
On hard and unfair, its almost impossible to land a spell on bots without being stunned first. Even if you blink in and they have no vision of you, they will instantly stun your ass. They are also super good at denying, buts thats a minor issue.
-Team bots throwing away matches in late game
Even if me and my bots get early/mid game with kills, when they enemy team is farmed enough and starts their 5 man team tower rampage, my bots will throw the game away by dying to them all the damn time, specially if the opponents have any of the carry bots I talked about before. This really gets me angry because it seems they turn into full retard mode for the rest of the game.
-Bots refusing to attack barracks
In some close matches, and after taking down the tower thats defending the raxs, they will go back to the creep wave. While they are doing this, the enemy team will teleport there/buy back and whipe them out. However the enemy team NEVER does this, they will make sure that they destroy them, while your bots (if they're alive) just stand there and watch them go down.
-Your bots will leave you alone to die
Hey lets gank that Drow Ranger guys, here we go! (pings on her).. guys? Guys? Oh righ, they went back, only to let you die to the other bots that appeared out of nowhere or just bought back.
-Team bots are always inferior to the enemy
-Bots will retreat, then dive and feed .
-they will use their abilities to KS from you instead of helping (I didnt mind if I wasn't the guy trying to carry this freaking game).
-Sven will pop his ultimate, then retreat, wasting it.
-supports initiate battles.
-sometimes while "Doing Roshan" they just stand there and dont attack even if the entire team is present.
-when the enemy is 5 man pushing, lone team bots will cross their path despite the map clearly showing that they are dangerously close, again feeding
I always play against hard bots while sometimes mixing them with medium ones. I put my team bots on hard or Unfair. Like the match example I gave, even with one enemy bot on medium, it pretty much depends on the line up. Even if you carry like hell, theres no stopping your bots from feeding the enemy if the opponent bots are on hard and selected certain heroes.
I even had games, completely dominating the bots, I ended something like 20-2 and we lost because our bots feed too much. Even with split push + boots of travel, nothing will guarantee that you will win. Its the only strategy, but its lame doing it, takes the fun away.
Again, I give you the example of this Pudge match, it was what I was doing, I managed to destroy their last top tower and begun attacking their raxes, only for the enemy bots to teleport all into there. No problem right? Ill just back off... and then watch them kill all my bots in mid as they initiated one at a time. All dead, ~90 seconds to respawn, no buyback, gg. Pathetic and fucking frustrating.
I'll keep this updated.
-Team line up will decide the fate of your bots and most probably the match
If the enemy team picks either Luna, Necro, Warlock, Viper, Sven, Sniper or Chaos Knight, your bots will feed. It doesnt matter, these bots will wreck them. The only thing that may (may) avoid this is having your bots in a higher difficulty than the enemy team. However between Hard and Unfair there isnt much difference other than extra xp and gold (I refuse to put all enemy bots on medium). I just had a match where I was Pudge and my team was made of a Crystal Maiden (terrible bot), Earthshaker (not so good bot), Jakiro (its an ok bot) and Luna (one of the better bots). The enemy team picked Drow Ranger, Chaos Knight, Sven, Necro and Death Profet. All bots were on hard, except C.Knight that was on medium. Do I need to say how it went? I mean, they had 5 carries for gods sake. My bots feed like hell. Still, I ended up up 17-11 and we lost. Luna 12-14, CM 5-15 ES 6-14 and Jakiro 7-7. Not even with an enemy bot on medium difficulty the bots were useful. It doesn't matter how good you do, even if you dont die, your bots will always feed, its infuriating. The only solution is to buy boots of travel and split push if you know its over already, great, how fun is that.
You should be able to pick your team, period. The only thing you can do now is suggesting 2 heroes, which the bots will chose, but still you should be able to suggest the entire line up.
-Bots cant deal with Viper
Seriously, a Viper bot will end a game with 20+ kills. Just watch your bots initiate him in a 1vs1 only to retreat and face their death. Add a manta style and bkb to him and he becomes unstoppable. Suggest him for your team if you want an easy win.
-Bots cant deal with Warlock ult.
Do yourself a favour, if the enemy team picks Warlock, disconnect to avoid rage. I cant even count the numerous times I lost bot matches because of this. Not because I cant handle it, but your stupid bots cant. Everytime Warlock ults, he wipes out your entire team. Your bots dont know how to react, they even run back to the golems just to ensure they die to them, wtf is this shit? By the time you look at the score, Warlock already has +10 kills and Scepter. gg!
-Bots with orb walking tower dive you. Easy first blood.
Its stupidly easy to get Viper or Drow to tower dive you.
-Bots initiating vs a 5 man team
Another problem, bots will initiate even if they are outnumbered. I ping them to retreat but no, they will go for it, only feeding the enemy team some more. Hmm whats that Crystal Maiden? Going against them alone? Well Im sure she will do well.
-Bots stick as a 5 man team most of the time
Once mid game starts, enemy bots will stick together to push whatever tower has the least HP. This makes it hard to gank them, because if you get near, you will probably be stun locked to death. Bots also tend to TP their ENTIRE team when a human player is attacking one of their towers. I mean, I think one or two bots would be enough to defend it, but no, they all TP to try kill you.
-Bots will chase you from their base to your fountain
Nothing more needs to be said about this really. It applies to both teams.
-Sand King gets stuck on the trees if he uses burrowstrike. Then he doesn't get out, ever.
This usually happens in early game where the bot doesn't have a TP. He doesn't even uses tangos/burrowstrike again to get out and becomes stuck forever until you help him out.
-Zeus bot is the most worthless pile of shit if hes on your team
Great coding here Valve! This little shit wont kill anything with his ult other than kill stealing from you! I had matches where he could have killed 3, THREE FUCKING BOTS WITH HIS ULT, but what does he do? NOTHING. He just chases after them like a bloody retard. And then when Im going to kill this bot, here comes my last hit and gold.. YOU CANT RUN FROM HEAVEN ***ZAPPP*** KILL STEAL MOTHERFUCKER!
-Your Bots (not just Zeus) kill steal from you, the fuckers
Example: you're sniper/dragon knight/drow/any carry hero, and you're chasing down an enemy. The moment you start hitting him, lets say your Lina ally will chase him. That bitch will wait until the enemy hero is killable to use her dragon fire/ult to finish him off. This makes me fucking mad because you can see your bots just chasing the enemy and doing NOTHING, ZERO, they dont attack them despite being right behind, but the moment they go low hp and you're going for the final blow, BAM they throw their spells on them and get the gold. This just happen twice in the same match, its the same kind of behaviour everytime.
-Your Bots steal the runes if you're on mid
Got a bottle? Well too bad, that team bot just snatched that tasty regeneration rune... with fucking full HP.
-Your Bots will use courier to buy items that they can get at the side shop
Magic stick? Sage Mask? Fuck that, ill just the use the courier instead! Annoying if you're on mid and need to use it asap.
-Bots maphacking
Another thing that annoys me, bots seem to know exactly where you are, and theres no wards or anything. Are you farming in the Jungle? Well here comes a torrent out of nowhere and Kunkka and Lion, or a silence by Death Prophet (when you're clearly on fog of war). Other times a 5 man team will appear out of nowhere from the fog and insta-chain you to death. Trying to gank bots? Well watch how they retreat the exact moment you right click/ping on them. They also know where the runes will appear and snatch them before you.
-Bots avoiding Hooks/Suntrikes/Arrows
Painfully obvious when playing as Pudge. Bots will avoid them even if they have no vision of you. Same goes for Sunstrike. They wont most likely dodge when they are doing something else like focusing to kill a hero.
-Bots ignore your illusions and know who the real one is
This pisses me off so much, they always know which one is the real one and ignore the illusions. Getting an illusion rune is pretty much useless.
-Bots cheating mana
It seems this is a common issue where bots will pull mana out of their asses just to run away or harass you. Sven, Chaos Knight and Jakiro seem to be the ones that do this the most. Theres no magic stick, no clarity potion, nothing, they will just use it when they feel like it.
-Bots too aggressive in the laning phase
Enemy bots (Hard and Unfair) will throw everything at you in the lane, and if you add the mana cheating issue, this is a pain in the ass to deal with. Also they seem to be able to harass you by auto-attacking without even aggroing your creeps. (Im looking at you Witch Doctor) And what about your bots? They dont even harass the enemy as much they do to you.
-Bots cheating speed
I confirmed this in one ocasion by chasing a low hp Lion. I had 370 speed+ phase boots, he had 350 and mana boots, no drums, no buffs or debuffs (like Track or Warcry etc). I was right behind, running in a straight line, no fog of war, and I couldn't hit him once! This was the only time I was pretty sure bots were speed hacking. There has been other reports that you cant outrun certain bots when running away.
-Bots still buyback if killed by Necrolytes ultimate plus Scepter
You cant buyback if youre killed by Nectos ult+ scepter, however Ive seen bots do it, and its confirmed by other people.
-Bots godlike reactions
On hard and unfair, its almost impossible to land a spell on bots without being stunned first. Even if you blink in and they have no vision of you, they will instantly stun your ass. They are also super good at denying, buts thats a minor issue.
-Team bots throwing away matches in late game
Even if me and my bots get early/mid game with kills, when they enemy team is farmed enough and starts their 5 man team tower rampage, my bots will throw the game away by dying to them all the damn time, specially if the opponents have any of the carry bots I talked about before. This really gets me angry because it seems they turn into full retard mode for the rest of the game.
-Bots refusing to attack barracks
In some close matches, and after taking down the tower thats defending the raxs, they will go back to the creep wave. While they are doing this, the enemy team will teleport there/buy back and whipe them out. However the enemy team NEVER does this, they will make sure that they destroy them, while your bots (if they're alive) just stand there and watch them go down.
-Your bots will leave you alone to die
Hey lets gank that Drow Ranger guys, here we go! (pings on her).. guys? Guys? Oh righ, they went back, only to let you die to the other bots that appeared out of nowhere or just bought back.
-Team bots are always inferior to the enemy
-Bots will retreat, then dive and feed .
-they will use their abilities to KS from you instead of helping (I didnt mind if I wasn't the guy trying to carry this freaking game).
-Sven will pop his ultimate, then retreat, wasting it.
-supports initiate battles.
-sometimes while "Doing Roshan" they just stand there and dont attack even if the entire team is present.
-when the enemy is 5 man pushing, lone team bots will cross their path despite the map clearly showing that they are dangerously close, again feeding
I always play against hard bots while sometimes mixing them with medium ones. I put my team bots on hard or Unfair. Like the match example I gave, even with one enemy bot on medium, it pretty much depends on the line up. Even if you carry like hell, theres no stopping your bots from feeding the enemy if the opponent bots are on hard and selected certain heroes.
I even had games, completely dominating the bots, I ended something like 20-2 and we lost because our bots feed too much. Even with split push + boots of travel, nothing will guarantee that you will win. Its the only strategy, but its lame doing it, takes the fun away.
Again, I give you the example of this Pudge match, it was what I was doing, I managed to destroy their last top tower and begun attacking their raxes, only for the enemy bots to teleport all into there. No problem right? Ill just back off... and then watch them kill all my bots in mid as they initiated one at a time. All dead, ~90 seconds to respawn, no buyback, gg. Pathetic and fucking frustrating.
I'll keep this updated.
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