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[Outdated] Rupture has incorrect interaction with Abaddon's Borrowed Time

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Keowee View Post
    Nothing is wrong with Rupture


    • #17
      Originally posted by jam3972 View Post
      If they just wanted it to go through bkb they could have done it other ways. they did HP removal because of all the interaction it entails.

      This really should match dota 1 behavior. please fix it valve.
      You are mistaken. in DotA 1 there is no other way than HP removal.

      Magic damage always had universal damage (basically the same thing as magic but goes through BKB) there is nothing similar for Pure damage, which Seeker Ultimate was before.

      I realy see this as one of the biggest weaknesses of WC 3 dota. leads to random things like, healing using salves through rupture or killing Abbadon through borrowed.

      I actually would really wish for a DotA 2 specific solution regartding this.


      • #18
        Not an Engine Limitation. Icefrog could have just used his new "Universal Pure" damage that he just wrote a handler for in 6.78 when the Rupture change was made, but instead he wanted HP Removal.

        If you call things limitations of DotA 1, 90% of the time you will be wrong.


        • #19
          added to sticky.
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          • #20
            Posting this here, because I'm not actually sure how this interaction is supposed to work, but it falls under the umbrella of "HP removal under Borrowed Time" interactions.

            AFAIK most (I would say all, but I'm not sure if it's all) HP removal spells in DotA 1 use a different damage type if the damage instance would be lethal (e.g. EMP does magic damage if lethal and HP removal otherwise). This is because HP removal in DotA 1 actually cannot be lethal. How is this specifically supposed to interact with Borrowed Time? Is the triggered lethal non-HP-removal instance supposed to activate the Borrowed Time triggered heal? In this case, does this mean the correct interaction between HP removal spells and Abaddon's Borrowed Time is for them to damage him if the damage instance would not kill him, but heal him if it would?


            • #21
              This bug is absurd. Can't even use urn while being ruptured. No Omniknight repel to save the day is intended, but the bug of not being able to use healing potions adds insult to injury. Funsucker(instead of Bloodseeker) has sucked all the fun out of the game.
              I will mercilessly add to my ignore list anyone that makes an incredibly annoying signature.


              • #22
                For all HP Removal skills, assuming Abaddon is taking no other damage, if Borrowed Time is not active, they will kill him while putting Borrowed Time on cooldown if he was under 400 when the killing blow was dealt. If Borrowed Time is active, Rupture will still kill. Heartstopper Aura will set HP to 1 then heal for (100 Physical + 100 Magical + 100 Pure) on the killing tick instead. Wave of Terror's damage is changed to 1.33*(HP Removal amount) Magical Damage, while EMP sets the enemy's HP to 1 before dealing the normal damage amount in Magical Damage. Urn of Shadows's killing blow is simply 50 Magical Damage.
                Last edited by imxtrabored; 07-15-2013, 02:16 AM.


                • #23
                  I think HP removal needs overhauling...


                  • #24
                    Has this been fixed?


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by krayzee View Post
                      Has this been fixed?
                      Just checked, it is not fixed.