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[Confirmed] Timbersaw Cannot Attack During Timber Chain

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  • [Confirmed] Timbersaw Cannot Attack During Timber Chain

    As title says, timbersaw can't attack or turn during timber chain in Dota2. He can do both of these in WC3 dota.

    Repro in wc3 dota:

    1. Take level 1 timber chain.
    2. Buy some hyperstones for attack speed. (not required but makes it more obvious)
    3. Chain through some creeps while a-clicking on 1.
    4. You are able to attack that creep while moving, it will have taken more damage than any other creep hit by chain.

    In dota2, this is not possible.

    Clearly not intended as heroes like morph and storm are balanced around this mechanic.

    Repro for turning bug in wc3 dota:

    1. Max timber chain and take at least 1 level of chakram.
    2. Use chakram while in timber chain, make sure you aim somewhere to the side of the line where you will be travelling.
    3. Chakram gets cast during the timber chain.

    In dota2, this is not possible unless you aim directly in front of you.

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    3rd bug, more minor.

    In dota2, timbersaw can break his timberchain early with blink dagger. In wc3, you will always arrive at the tree you chained to, even though blink dagger gets used.
    Last edited by LxRogue; 07-23-2013, 07:45 PM.
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    I've played a lot of timber in dota2, but had never played him in wc3 dota up until recently. I noticed it the very first game; it makes a pretty noticeable difference.
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    • #3
      What else can he do during timber chain in wc3?

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      • #4
        I believe he can use spells and items, and that this is consistent with dota2. I'll have to double check later today, but whirling death is the only thing I am 100% sure of right now.
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        • #5
          Tested, and confirmed he can use items and spells in both wc3 and dota2.

          However, I did find 2 other bugs/inconsistencies:

          - He can't turn during timber chain. This means he can't use directed items (like hex or orchid) unless he is already facing the target. He can turn in wc3.

          - Blink dagger will work while in timber chain in both games. In dota2 it ends the chain and you arrive where you wanted to blink, in wc3, blink goes on cooldown, but you arrive at the tree you chained to.
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          • #6
            Don't know what else I need to prove for this to be confirmed. Would be great if another person could repro, otherwise this is just gonna get drowned out by all of the false/duplicate/off-topic threads.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by LxRogue View Post
              Don't know what else I need to prove for this to be confirmed.
              Wait for a new mod to take control of this forum.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LxRogue View Post
                - He can't turn during timber chain. This means he can't use directed items (like hex or orchid) unless he is already facing the target. He can turn in wc3.

                - Blink dagger will work while in timber chain in both games. In dota2 it ends the chain and you arrive where you wanted to blink, in wc3, blink goes on cooldown, but you arrive at the tree you chained to.
                Pretty hard to blink when chaining in dota2. And how exactly does it work in wc3? Your explanation wasn't complete. Does he end up where he blinked and then moves to the tree or does he not blink at all?

                Also I wonder if a target can be hit twice by Shiva's guard when timber is chaining...

                Anyway this deserves to be put on sticky.
                Last edited by Propkid; 07-24-2013, 02:07 PM.

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                • #9
                  In dota2, you have to blink exactly in front of you, so it really won't do much other than cut your timber chain short.

                  In wc3, your blink dagger will work in any direction because you can turn, however, timber chain overrides it. This means you use the 75 mana and cooldown of the dagger, but your final position is at the tree you chained to. Basically you can use blink, but it doesn't do anything.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Propkid View Post
                    Pretty hard to blink when chaining in dota2. And how exactly does it work in wc3? Your explanation wasn't complete. Does he end up where he blinked and then moves to the tree or does he not blink at all?

                    Also I wonder if a target can be hit twice by Shiva's guard when timber is chaining...

                    Anyway this deserves to be put on sticky.

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                      • #12
                        The two main bugs here make a significant difference for timbersaw's damage. Even being able to start his attack animation can make the difference in a kill. Both of them need to be fixed because you need to be facing your target in order to begin your attack animation. Timber chain has such a short cooldown that means this mechanic is even more relevant than with other heroes like morphling.

                        I'm sure I could dig around for a while and find some more inconsistencies with timber chain. I could test every interaction it has with other repositioning spells, there would certainly be some more bugs there. But I'd much rather see these two bugs fixed.
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                          • #14
                            You even get an alert on your screen in dota2, "Cannot Attack" when you try to do it. Kinda hard to get that to show up since your hero can't even attempt to attack unless he's facing the right direction.
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                            • #15
                              YO, if we are going to fix bugs that buff timbersaw, can we also fix the ones that nerf him, like this one
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