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[Confirmed] Lycan Shapeshift Plus Illusion Rune

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  • [Confirmed] Lycan Shapeshift Plus Illusion Rune

    I was playing lycan when I used shapeshift and ran away. I picked up the illusion rune as I was in wolf form. I proceeded to turn back into the normal form however, my wolf illusions still had max speed and more importantly: had a time indicating "shapeshift". Despite me being in the original form, the wolf illusions had max speed and later turned back into lycan's original form as well. I am confident that this is a bug as illusions themselves shouldn't transform. I am not so sure whether or not the max movement speed on illusions but not me is a bug or not.

    Steps:
    1) pick lycan
    2) skill and use shapeshift
    3) pick up an illusion rune (haven't tested manta)
    4) watch illusions

  • #2
    In DotA 1 you could manta with Dragon/Wolf Form by using shift. In Dota 2 it seems that it is generally possible.
    However, it should not reset the shapeshift counter on the illusions I think.

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    • #3
      also the illusions turn back into normal lycans.

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      • #4
        If they fixed manta interraction does that mean they manta lycan is really quite viable now?

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        • #5
          added to sticky.
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          • #6
            @areid2, it would be alot better then dota1. In dota 1, if you used manta before your ult ended, and then your ult ended, your illusions would not have max ms because the ms came from a global haste aura. In this case, the illusions continue to have max ms despite lycan himself not having max ms.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by youlackhatred View Post
              @areid2, it would be alot better then dota1. In dota 1, if you used manta before your ult ended, and then your ult ended, your illusions would not have max ms because the ms came from a global haste aura. In this case, the illusions continue to have max ms despite lycan himself not having max ms.
              True for manta, because it cancels the transformation. But if you pick up an illu rune, you'll get wolve illus, and those always have fullspeed. Though they can be slowed, because the aura isn't there.
              Please, just call me buny.

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              • #8
                Oh and morph can replicate lycan and itll be at max ms as well.

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                • #9
                  I think it's the same with Dragon Knight as well. Illusion will stay in dragon form :/
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                  Overall average (K+A)/D and K/D tracker, and a MMR solution?

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                  • #10
                    You get the EDF (that makes you do splash damage) and the Shapeshift buff (that gives you max speed) whenever you use the ultimate and if you Manta during this time, your illusions receive this buff as well. Since these buffs have a fixed duration, I don't think it's worth coding extra stuff just to reduce the duration when you create illusions to match the original hero

                    With this said, I think it's a fix rather than a bug.. having a simple buff indicating stuff is so much more logical than having a theoretic global haste

                    Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Luffydude View Post
                      With this said, I think it's a fix rather than a bug.. having a simple buff indicating stuff is so much more logical than having a theoretic global haste
                      I believe, problem is not illusions being in wolf form, but their wolf form duration resetting.
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                      • #12
                        Dragon Knight [Elder Dragon Form] Illusion Rune Illusions leaving Transformed Form

                        Summary:
                        Illusions made by Illusion rune have a 75 sec duration and DK's ultimate is 60sec. When you use an Illusion Rune while in Dragon Form, illusions are created based on the unit that activates the rune. As in Dota 2, Dragon Form is done as a Buff instead of replacing the unit, the buff duration is transfered to the illusion, and as the timer for the buff is shorter than the Illusion timer itself, the ilussions transforms back to the normal form. This is inconsistent with Warcraft 3 DotA.

                        Th same is happening for Morphling Replicate lvl 2&3 (which last for 45/60sec) and Alchemist Chemical Rage (last 25sec) (might make a separate thread about it, but I think it's the same issue).

                        Repro Steps:
                        -Get Dragon Knight and level Elder Dragon Form
                        -Pick up an Illusion rune
                        -Wait 60 seconds

                        Result:
                        -The Dragon Illusions transforms to the normal DK form.

                        Expected Result:
                        -Dragon Illusion should last for the full Illusion duration and not transform back.
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                        • #13
                          I swear there was something like this on the sticky (but it was saying that they don't transform back with your hero) only I couldn't find it after like 10 minutes of searching... But this has bothered me too, as it's often better for tricking people as they ALWAYS assume that the flying DK is the real one...

                          ALSO transformation skills shouldn't have timers for the enemy - they should just show a blank buff (or nothing at all), so that they can't just check your status and wait x seconds til your transform runs out...
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