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[Confirmed] Does passive aghanim bonus require level in ultimate

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  • [Confirmed] Does passive aghanim bonus require level in ultimate

    Summary: Tiny with 0 level in Grow will not gain the tree's passive bonus from Aghanim.

    Reproduce:
    -Pick Tiny
    -Get Aghanim
    -Find multiple creeps together and attack one.

    Result:
    Only the creep you attacked take damage, there was no cleave.

    Expected:
    He should have the attack range/cleave/demolish bonus.


    This also affect Enchantress.
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  • #2
    aghanims upgrades the ultimate of some of the heroes. tiny cant equip a tree if his grow ultimate is not level 1 or more because what will the aghanims upgrade? if its 0 then none right?

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    • #3
      You need a point in ultimate for aghanims to work. Aghanim's effectively exchanges your 3 levels of the ultimate with other 3 levels (basically another spell). If you have the ultimate lvl0, the aghanims ultimate will also be lvl0.

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      • #4
        For Nightstalker, Aghanim's upgrades his Hunter in the Night skill, so I think it should work without a level in darkness. Not 100% sure tho.

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        • #5
          tiny does grab a tree even with no level on grow, but there is no cleave and i assume those bonuses are also not applied. on the other hand, night stalker will always get the unobstructed vision at night. i guess when meepo comes out, he will also have one clone without leveling up ulti

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          • #6
            Scepter upgrade should work even if the ultimate is not skilled.

            Tiny's scepter works differently from other upgrades, it adds the demolish and cleave abilities to tiny himself without interaction with his Grow skill. He should be benefiting from scpter even without any points in Grow.

            About nightstalker, hunter in the night is technically not upgraded either. NS gets a dummy with flying vision when he has scepter, and he will gain the upgrade as long as he has skilled hunter in the night or crippling fear.

            Meepo is indeed also another scepter special case, he will gain an extra clone even if he has not skilled his ultimate.


            Moved to main and added to common bugs list.
            Last edited by DLRevan; 03-29-2012, 02:45 PM.
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            • #7
              Didn't realize this got moved, bumping and editing the OP to have repro.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BLABLAFU View Post
                For Nightstalker, Aghanim's upgrades his Hunter in the Night skill, so I think it should work without a level in darkness. Not 100% sure tho.
                It even works without Hunter in the Night. It works every night.
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                • #9
                  This happens with Enchantress as well (original thread). Entry in common bugs list should be updated since it only mentions tiny.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DLRevan View Post
                    Moved to main and added to common bugs list.
                    did you add it to the sticky already? i couldnt find it.

                    i would lean towards adding this and the enchantress issue to the intended fix list.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blash365 View Post
                      did you add it to the sticky already? i couldnt find it.

                      i would lean towards adding this and the enchantress issue to the intended fix list.
                      Last I checked, it's Low 32.

                      As I said though, Night Stalker does get benefit from it even without any skill points invested, as well as Tiny having lv 0 grow tree animation make it hard to believe they didn't intend for Tiny to be able to use Aghanim without Grow.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by blash365 View Post
                        did you add it to the sticky already? i couldnt find it.

                        i would lean towards adding this and the enchantress issue to the intended fix list.
                        "Tiny not gaining scepter benefits if he has not skilled Grow" on common bugs.
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                        • #13
                          oh, i was under the impression this was a new meepo thread.
                          my bad.
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                          • #14
                            The little Tiny actually gets a huge tree for himself. And it looks ultimately cute
                            But he just misses his buffs like bonus range and cleave and bonus damage to buildings. Yeah, I think that's all.

                            He shouldn't get any buff for his Toss, though, since it is an improvement to the Grow, not directly to the Tiny.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ThoAppelsin View Post
                              The little Tiny actually gets a huge tree for himself. And it looks ultimately cute
                              But he just misses his buffs like bonus range and cleave and bonus damage to buildings. Yeah, I think that's all.

                              He shouldn't get any buff for his Toss, though, since it is an improvement to the Grow, not directly to the Tiny.
                              As this just came up, we can bump it for a fix.
                              I basicly just want to do it to show how true it is what Appel said.
                              Tiny without Grow has an extra moving animation - he carries the tree in both hands. That's absolutly adorable
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