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[Confirmed] Armor values different from WC3 DotA

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  • [Confirmed] Armor values different from WC3 DotA

    I don't know yet if this is just a visual bug (caused by rounding) or the targets are actually taking less physical damage than in Dota1 (very difficult to test), but at the moment, Armor values are differing from those in Dota1.

    For example, take level 1 Spirit Breaker, he should have Armor: 5.38

    Dota2:
    http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/7...463?tab=public
    For some reason, it rounds up to 6 (in wc3 DotA it shows 5, I tested it to be sure)

    Take level 5 Alchemist, he has
    Starting Armor: 1.54 s
    Agility Gain: 1.2
    4 levels = +4.8 Agility.
    4.8 AGI / 0.14 = 0.672
    Sum: 1.54+0.672 = 2.212


    In Dota2:
    http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/7...185?tab=public

    Dota1:
    http://postimage.org/image/9st82gjnr/
    (Alchemist gets to 3 armor when he hits level 7)
    Last edited by blash365; 07-08-2012, 07:02 AM. Reason: edited title
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  • #2
    Is the damage dealt actually different? If not, this might be similar to the move speed bug, possibly even the same cause.
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    • #3
      Yeah, I noticed this too while going though data files and just haven't dug into it yet, was going to try and figure out just what was wrong once I checked every ability.

      For example. Doom had 3% Physical Resistance at level 1. He should have 0.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DarkLite View Post
        Is the damage dealt actually different? If not, this might be similar to the move speed bug, possibly even the same cause.
        When I have the time I'll try to test it with the Combat log, calculating the expected damage (with Dota1 armor values) and comparing it to the actual damage the hero takes. Maybe it's just a visual bug with the new UI and the way it rounds the numbers. OR it's not, and it's a pretty major bug.
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        • #5
          Ok, I'm testing with Gondar's Shadow Walk, because it does 30/60/90/120 physical damage, reduced by armor.

          I'll use level 4 Shadow Walk because 120 it's better for making numbers.

          Hits level 5 Alchemist (It shows 3 Armor, 15% Physical Resistance) for 101 damage.
          120*0.85=102

          If he had 2 armor and it was just showing 3 because of a visual bug, Alchemist should have 10% physical resistance (Damage Reduction = ( 0.06 * armor ) / (1 + 0.06 * armor))
          So he should take: 120*0.90=108.

          Unless the Combat Log is not showing numbers accordingly (as far as I tested, it was working wonderful), this is very bugged, and maybe it's not correct for any hero in the game...
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          • #6
            Bump. Important bug
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            • #7
              indeed it seems to be a pretty big problem. AM currently has 3 armor at lvl 1, but he should only have 2.08. either the nerf in 6.73 patch is not properly applied or the armor calculation is somehow wrong.

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              • #8
                Added to sticky.
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                • #9
                  Thanks for reporting this, please check it in the next update

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                  • #10
                    Bump! Can you guys look over this and see if things look right now?

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                    • #11
                      Chaos Knight has 1 armor higher than intended (5 instead of 3.96) and Outworld Destroyer has 1 lower than intended (4 instead of 5.36).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EmblemLord View Post
                        Chaos Knight has 1 armor higher than intended (5 instead of 3.96) and Outworld Destroyer has 1 lower than intended (4 instead of 5.36).
                        wow. it seems the armor problem is not properly fixed...
                        i really want to see decimals are showed in game. it will be very convenient.

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                        • #13
                          Added to sticky again. If you find any other discrepancies, post here. I will link this thread in the Data Files thread.
                          Last edited by DLRevan; 06-19-2012, 02:28 AM.
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                          • #14
                            This should no longer be a global issue, if there is any hero with incorrect armor, report it as an individual bug please. The above 2 should now be fixed in the next update.

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                            • #15
                              Posting this before update

                              Legend:
                              Red - above 1% discrepancy
                              Orange - Different Armor Value; 1% Discrepancy
                              Blue - Correct Armor Value; 1% Discrepancy
                              Green - Different Armor Values but correct Damage Reduction

                              Dota 6.74c vs Dota 2 Test
                              Level 1 Hero Values

                              Hero - || WC3 || Dota 2
                              ================================================== =========
                              Batrider - || 2 - 11% || 1 - 6%
                              Sven - || 2 - 10% || 2 - 12%
                              Chaos Knight - || 4 - 19% || 6 - 27%
                              Doom - || 0 - 0% || 0 - (-2%)

                              Lone Druid - || 3 - 17% || 2 - 10%
                              Venge - || 4 - 18% || 4 - 20%
                              Lion - || 1- 6% || 1 - 8%
                              Obsidian - || 5 - 24% || 4 - 20%
                              Shadow Priest - || 2 - 10% || 2 - 12%
                              Invoker - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Ogre magi - || 5 - 23% || 4 - 22%
                              Earthshaker - || 3 - 14% || 2 - 13%
                              Alchemist - || 2 - 8% || 1 - 9%
                              Clockwerk - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Davion - || 5 - 22% || 4 - 21%
                              Huskar - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Axe - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Naix - || 2 - 8% || 1 - 9%
                              Night Stalker - || 6 - 25% || 5 - 24%
                              Sand king - || 3 - 14% || 2 - 13%
                              Juggernaut - || 4 - 19% || 3 - 18%
                              Tinker - || 4 - 19% || 3 - 18%
                              Shadow Fiend - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Ursa - || 6 - 25% || 5 - 24%
                              Ancient Apparition - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 9%
                              Death Prophet - || 2 - 11% || 1 - 10%
                              Lina - || 1 - 7% || 1 - 6%
                              Kunkka - || 2 - 11% || 2 - 12%
                              Omniknight - || 4 - 20% || 4 - 19%
                              Tiny - || 0 - 2% || 0 - 3%
                              Lycan - || 1 - 7% || 1 - 6%
                              Slardar - || 5 - 24% || 5 - 25%
                              Tidehunter - || 3 - 16% || 3 - 17%
                              Sniper - || 2 - 10% || 2 - 11%
                              Morphling - || 1 - 8% || 1 - 9%

                              Mirana - || 2 - 10% || 2 - 11%
                              Riki - || 6 - 26% || 6 - 27%
                              Gyro - || 4 - 21% || 4 - 20%

                              Bloodseeker - || 3 - 17% || 3 - 16%
                              Veno - || 3 - 16% || 3 - 15%
                              Razor - || 2 - 11% || 2 - 12%
                              Void - || 4 - 19% || 4 - 20%
                              Crystal Maiden - || 1 - 7% || 1 - 6%

                              Storm - || 5 - 23% || 5 - 24%
                              Windrunner - || 1 - 8% || 1 - 7%
                              Jakiro - || 2 - 13% || 2 - 14%
                              Rhasta - || 1 - 7% || 1 - 8%
                              Bane - || 4 - 20% || 4 - 19%

                              Enigma - || 4 - 19% || 4 - 20%
                              Pugna - || 1 - 7% || 1 - 6%
                              Warlock - || 2 - 13% || 2 - 12%
                              Leshrac - || 3 - 16% || 3 - 17%
                              Witch Doctor - || 1 - 5% || 1 - 6%

                              Beastmaster - || 5 - 21% || 4 - 21%
                              Pudge - || 1 - 5% || 0 - 5%
                              Skeleton king - || 4 - 17% || 3 - 17%
                              Drow - || 3 - 14% || 2 - 14%
                              Brood - || 3 - 13% || 2 - 13%
                              Weaver - || 1 - 5% || 0 - 5%
                              Mortred - || 3 - 20% || 4 - 20%
                              Viper - || 2 - 10% || 1 - 10%
                              Enchantress - || 2 - 9% || 1 - 9%
                              Zeus - || 2- 8% || 1 - 8%
                              Nature Prophet - || 4 - 17% || 3 - 17%
                              Dark Seer - || 6 - 25% || 5 - 25%
                              Queen of Pain - || 2 - 8% || 1 - 8%
                              Shadow Demon - || 3 - 13% || 2 - 13%


                              Will Update After Patch
                              Last edited by MDuh; 06-19-2012, 02:13 PM.
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