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[Confirmed] impale cannot throw units into the air under song of the siren

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  • [Confirmed] impale cannot throw units into the air under song of the siren

    Summary:
    Impale(Lion's and later Nyx's) and some other spells(ravage, burrowstrike and torrent) do not send enemy units into the air while they are under the effect of song the the siren.

    Repro Steps:
    1. Pick naga siren and lion for example.
    2. Level up Song of the Siren and Impale.
    3. Sleep an enemy unit by SotS. Make sure SotS does not end prematurely.
    4. Cast impale to the unit by targeting the ground near it, as the invulnerable unit cannot be directly targeted.

    Result:
    Impale does completely nothing.

    Expected Result:
    Unit should be thrown into the air, with no damage and stun since invulnerability. (Dota 1 behavior to be precise)
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    The point is if u stop SotS before enemy unit lands, the target will be "chain stunned" and also damaged. This will effectively stop the use of BKB and other escape mechanism.
    update: add one screenshot
    naga_tide_combo.jpg
    Last edited by Eric37073; 07-21-2012, 04:19 AM.

  • #2
    The unit is invulnerable, why should this work?

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    • #3
      ^it works in dota 1
      Last edited by Eric37073; 07-20-2012, 09:51 PM.

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      • #4
        interesting, id be interested to hear feedback on this.

        What about non dmg spells like silence, / orchid do they work?

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        • #5
          ^i dont think so, as u cannot target invulnerable unit

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          • #6
            theres a mistake here

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            • #7
              Empale is supposed to make unit "go to the sky" even if invul in dota1. And since damage are done only when the unit fall, it is a pretty strong combo (especially with tide) to make them jump, and then cancel the song. So yes, unless intended fix, it should also work in dota2:


              https://rapidshare.com/files/2033655723/LastReplay.w3g

              Here you can see the uglyest combo ever
              you are wrong kryil-
              Last edited by miambox; 07-21-2012, 03:57 AM.

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              • #8
                Just tested it and invulnerable units in wacraft 3 are NOT lifted in the air.
                EDIT: It doesn't matter if it's an active invulnerability like Avatar or the passive one. It simply does not work -> intended.
                Last edited by Kryil-; 07-21-2012, 03:15 AM.
                If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                • #9
                  ^u must make some mistakes. i am not sure if u correctly understand the word "invulnerability" here. it seems u r referring to magic immunity. of course magic immunity will prevent spells like impale.
                  i will provide a screenshot later.

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                  • #10
                    you don't need eric i provided a replay

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Eric37073 View Post
                      ^u must make some mistakes. i am not sure if u correctly understand the word "invulnerability" here. it seems u r referring to magic immunity. of course magic immunity will prevent spells like impale.
                      i will provide a screenshot later.
                      No. I used the invulnerability abilities, the passiv once. For sure avatar makes no sence, mistake there. I still used NORMAL invulnerabiliy abilities.
                      Btw, watching the replay for a sec.

                      EDIT: This replay makes no sence. Well, it shows that I was wrong. Still I'm unable to redo this without Dota. Warcraft prohibits this. I can't believe they rewrote the entire impale? That would be way to much work for nearly nothing.
                      Last edited by Kryil-; 07-21-2012, 04:10 AM.
                      If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by miambox View Post
                        you don't need eric i provided a replay
                        thx a lot
                        i will still post one for other's convenience

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                        • #13
                          Provide the screenshot please, not everyone has DotA in their PC.
                          Originally posted by vladhood
                          boy im glad all these qualified and educated game designers have come to the forums to help dota 2 grow

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                            No. I used the invulnerability abilities, the passiv once. For sure avatar makes no sence, mistake there. I still used NORMAL invulnerabiliy abilities.
                            Btw, watching the replay for a sec.

                            EDIT: This replay makes no sence. Well, it shows that I was wrong. Still I'm unable to redo this without Dota. Warcraft prohibits this. I can't believe they rewrote the entire impale? That would be way to much work for nearly nothing.
                            i am not sure what is "passive" or "normal" invulnerability abilities. r u saying the one in ladder game? and as far as i know, yes, icefrog somehow rewrote the entire impale.

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                            • #15
                              He indeed rewrote completely impale, cause they were'nt stacking (you couldn't restun an empaled dude with an empale, but you could with a regulari stun etc...)+ were protecting the target while in air (w3 spell did give invulnerability while in air) + wc3empale were badly working when target wasn't at the same high as you etc....

                              So yes, wc3 empale has nothing to do with dota emaple
                              Last edited by miambox; 07-21-2012, 05:39 AM.

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