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  • [Confirmed] black hole silences items

    repro:

    - buy a non-targeted item (targeted items should work depending on your facing angle kinda)
    - get blackholed
    - try to use it

    result:

    you can't use items

    expected:

    items should be castable in blackhole, though turning to use targeted items is difficult

  • #2
    Confirming, tested 6.74c testmap. Blackholed a hero which i gave a soulring and bkb. Both were enabled during blackhole.

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    • #3
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      • #4
        Keep in mind.
        You used to be able to forcestaff yourself while blackwholed in wc3 dota. this was however changed on purpose.
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        • #5
          Might be intended since that could have been due to engine restrictions.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by winxp View Post
            Might be intended since that could have been due to engine restrictions.
            This WC3 engine is different than Valve's Dota 2 engine.
            so it could be intended - cuz if i remember (in dota2)
            correctly naix's rage can be spelled and blackhole wouldnt affect it.

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            • #7
              DotA 2 isn't engine restricted since they can modify it however they want.

              Any inconsistency should be reported since Icefrog wants to have an exact copy of DotA 2. Then he will be thinking about balancing.
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              • #8
                i think BH used to doom you at some point (instead of just silencing like it does currently; doom silences items too.)

                it would disable some passives, that's the only limitation i can think of. it's the same thing Duel and apparently Berserkers Call do.

                there are probably other ways to silence items. i don't think it's an engine limitation.

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                • #9
                  If Icefrog wanted to silence items in Wc3 DotA he could just use the doom ability... either that or just stun the affected units over the duration of blackhole (you can't use items when you're stunned, obviously).

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                  • #10
                    There's a way to disable item use in WC3 without using doom by replacing the hero-inventory ability with a unit-inventory ability that allows items to be held but not used. Regardless this seems like an intended change.

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                    • #11
                      I think it's kinda cheap when you black hole an entire team and one of them just uses Hex on you even if he is inside the Black Hole...

                      makes no sense imo

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Luffydude View Post
                        I think it's kinda cheap when you black hole an entire team and one of them just uses Hex on you even if he is inside the Black Hole...

                        makes no sense imo
                        You can't do this anymore because black hole forces you to turn away, and you have to be facing someone to use an item on them.

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                        • #13
                          Another thing, even though force staff can no longer move a unit out of black hole, you can still target yourself with items. For instance, using cyclone on yourself with Eul's scepter still works in Dota 1.

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