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[Confirmed] Unable to purge Repel with Diffusal Blade on yourself/allies

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  • [Confirmed] Unable to purge Repel with Diffusal Blade on yourself/allies

    Summary:
    Unable to purge Repel with Diffusal Blade on allies

    Repro:
    1) Pick Omni, lvlup repel and buy diffusal blade
    2) Cast Repel on yourself/ally
    3) Use Diffus on same target

    Result
    Target "purged", diffus blade charge wasted, repel stays on target.

    Expected:
    Repel purged.

    p.s. yes, it useful sometimes

  • #2
    Satyr Trickster's Purge too even after devouring/dominating the creep..

    Don't know if it's intended but you can't purge repel maybe even guardian angel (don't know if any other buff doesn't get removed besides repel) on allies @[email protected]

    I actually confirmed this a long time ago weeks after omniknight was released, don't know about the patch right now, might check it after i get home..
    Last edited by Kaho; 08-21-2012, 10:37 PM.

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    • #3
      ah, you meant an allied repel.

      confirmed and added to sticky.
      Last edited by blash365; 08-22-2012, 11:23 AM.
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      • #4
        It's not that you cannot purge the Repel on your allies, but you cannot purge the Repel cast BY an allied Omniknight.
        Whether your teammate Omniknight casts his Repel on an ally or an enemy, you cannot purge it.
        Whether an enemy Omniknight casts his Repel on your allies or his allies, you can purge it.

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        • #5
          This is so inconsistent.. Repel always should be purgable. What we have is this

          Wrong interactions marked in red and right interactions in green. Red needs fixing.

          Diffusal Blade:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on enemy
          • Enemy Repel casted on ally

          Cannot purge:
          • Allied Repel casted on enemy
          • Allied Repel casted on ally


          Demonic Purge:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on enemy

          Cannot purge:
          • Alled Repel casted on enemy


          Primal Split Storm's Dispel Magic:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on ally

          Cannot purge:
          • Enemy Repel casted on enemy
          • Allied Repel casted on enemy
          • Allied Repel casted on ally

          Cannot purge:
          • -


          Slark's Dark Pact:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on Slark

          Cannot purge:
          • Allied Repel casted on Slark


          Abaddon's Borrowed Time:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on Abaddon

          Cannot Purge:
          • Allied Repel casted on Abaddon


          Doom's Doom:
          Purges:
          • Enemy Repel casted on enemy

          Cannot purge:
          • Allied Repel casted on enemy



          In short:
          Purge should always dispel Repel, disregarding its source. Dark Pact and Borrowed Time never should dispel Repel, disregarding the source.

          The only problem here causing this is, Repel is treated as negative when it's from the opposing team. Repel should always be treated as a positive buff.
          Last edited by bu3ny; 03-15-2014, 11:05 AM.
          Please, just call me buny.

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          • #6
            Fix ASAP, so I can make Diffusal Blade on Omniknight just to purge my Repel to heal allies.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ZzZombo View Post
              Fix ASAP, so I can make Diffusal Blade on Omniknight just to purge my Repel to heal allies.
              What a waste of money on Omni.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ZzZombo View Post
                Fix ASAP, so I can make Diffusal Blade on Omniknight just to purge my Repel to heal allies.
                Well, you maybe wanted to use the Diffusal in attempt to purge a debuff away. But right now you can do that without worrying about Repel getting removed.
                Please, just call me buny.

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                • #9
                  (not correct, read next post )


                  repel is a positive buff. thats why its not dispellable with purge when cast on yourself or an ally.

                  quote from purge: "A purge on a hero will initially remove most negative buffs from allies and positive buffs from enemies."

                  if you understand how purge works you will understand why repel works as it does, and why that is the correct way.

                  Originally posted by bu3ny View Post
                  Repel should always be treated as a positive buff.
                  why? it could be a dissadvantage to have repel on you so why would a repel casted by and enemy be treated as a positive buff?
                  the general rule is that everthing that an enemy does to you is a negaive buff while the stuff friends do is a positive buff.
                  (im sure there is atleast one exception somewhere but i cant remember one on the top of my head now)
                  Last edited by Nelzy; 10-27-2013, 03:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    im sorry for my previus post, i leave it there so peopel can read it to get the complet picture.
                    i based that post on what i experienced in dota2 and what the wiki said about purge.

                    After my previus post i tested this in the newest version of wc3 dota i had(6.74c) and then all buff was removed(omni ulti and repel) from allies not only debuffs, so it looks like the bug in your report is not only for repel but also omnis ulti. both should be removed by purge but none are.


                    dowloaded 6.78c and same there.


                    is this a basic problem with purge as a whole? or just with omnis spells? there is alot of incorrect interactions with purge in the known buggs list could more of them be caused by how purge functions on a basic level?

                    i scanned playdota for how purge works in dota1 but found nothing so i assume it works as wc3
                    Quote from WC3: "Removes all buffs from a target unit, and slows its movement speed by a factor of 5. Purged units will slowly regain their movement speed over 15 seconds. Deals 400 damage to summoned units. Purge does not slow friendly units when used on them and causes units to stop for a brief moment when first cast."
                    this is how if functions on omni in wc3 dota but in dota 2 it follows the previusly linked descroption on purge

                    so is it an intended change or a bug + a typo on the wiki derived from how it works atm in dota2?
                    Last edited by Nelzy; 10-27-2013, 04:19 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Hello

                      What about Oracle and omni knight repel?

                      1-) Oracle does purge repel. oracle has to start channeling before repel starts.

                      However
                      2-)oracle cannot target a repeled unit with fortunes end. it is invalid target

                      What is the correct interation? it seems to me it should either always purge it or never

                      Edit: not just that.
                      3-) If enemy has an ally nearby, then oracle can purge that ally and he will purge repel on the process

                      So, repel does not block oracles purge, but is still invalid target for it.


                      BKB on the other hand does block it.

                      4-) cast repel and guardian angel on ally. let him use bkb. oracle can purge repel but not guardian angel if bkb is still in effect
                      Last edited by Dota2Critic; 12-04-2015, 04:49 PM.

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                      • #12
                        You fully missed the point of this thread.

                        Repel is dispellable. However, in Dota2, you can only dispel buffs off of enemies and debuffs off of allies. So you can't remove an allied Repel off of you.

                        It's a DotA1 inconsistancy, but considering that the dispel mechanics are intended, it is not a bug.
                        Please, just call me buny.

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                        • #13
                          Offtopic, but I remember the patch note that said Repel no longer removes positive buffs from allies... but I never actually saw that in live. It always purges runes, for example.

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                          • #14
                            ^That's only with DD and Haste. Those 2 are dispellable like any regular buff. But they also have their own thing: They periodically check for spell immunity on the unit. If such is detected, they get removed. Same for Ghost Scepter.
                            Please, just call me buny.

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