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[Confirmed] Empowering haste and Death Pact bonus damage

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  • [Confirmed] Empowering haste and Death Pact bonus damage

    Originally titled with Empowering Haste (before the change) hence why some of the following is greyed out:

    Summary:

    Empowering haste and Death pact (clinkz and barathrum/spirit breaker) both add to the base damage of a hero in Dota 2, whereas they are added as bonus damage in WC3 dota. This effects their interaction with +%Dmg buffs (DD) and interaction with illusions for spirit breaker (not for clinkz as his is a buff, which is not applied to the illusions, and on another note the illusions DO NOT recieve a HP buff from his ultimate, while they should - but they display his pre-ultimate +dmg (green damage))

    Repro:

    1a) Pick Spirit Breaker and level empowering haste <Obselete, as empowering haste no longer gives damage>
    1b) Pick Clinkz, level to atleast 6 and consume a creep

    Result:

    Base damage is increased by both effects

    Expected Result:

    BONUS damage is given - i.e. the green number increases, not the white one.

    Pictures from post # 5:

    Death Pact + DD.jpg
    Dota 2 Death Pact + DD.jpg
    Last edited by Wyn-Ryder; 04-09-2013, 09:17 PM.
    Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

  • #2
    Can confirm this, different mechanics.

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    • #3
      added to sticky.
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      • #4
        Did you just go by the fact that they are now added to the 'white' numbers, or did you check that the actual damage is different? The way damage is displayed in the HUD in Dota 2 is different from Dota 1, such as with regard to bonus stats-based damage: All such stat-based damage is now part of the 'white number', although in Dota 1 the green stat-based damage is still amplified by damage buffs, for example.
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        • #5
          I checked the actual damage - using DD with clinkz while his ulti is up DOES NOT increase the damage bonus given by DD in WC 3 Dota, whilst it increases the damage given by DD in Dota 2.

          EDIT: Damage is increased by 112 by DD when ultimate is active (average WHITE damage) (WC3)

          Death Pact + DD.jpg

          Damage is increased by 220 by DD when ultimate is active (total of ULTIMATE damage PLUS stats damage) (Dota 2)

          Dota 2 Death Pact + DD.jpg
          Last edited by Wyn-Ryder; 08-25-2012, 09:09 AM.
          Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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          • #6
            Ok, thats fine then. Just checking, as these 'white and 'green' rules are only true in general, there are certain exceptions, not just with damage numbers, but also stats and armor. This is slightly complicated by the fact that Dota 2 has changed these standardizations slightly.
            Always read and follow the forum rules. If you need help from a moderator, use the report button ()
            Before posting new bugs:
            -Check the Known Bugs List and search the forum for an existing report.
            -Make sure its a bug (test in WC3 Dota, visit playdota guides and adv. mech, etc). If you're still not sure, post in Mechanics and Gameplay Bug Brainstorming instead.
            -Read the Bug Posting Guidelines on how to report a bug properly.

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            • #7
              Should probably update this on the sticky to not have empowering haste listed anymore (Moderate 200) as that part is outdated.
              Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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              • #8
                Clinkz is still bugged though.

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                • #9
                  Is Death Pact still giving base damage? If it is, it's an easy way to get a platinum baby roshan

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