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[Confirmed] Spectral Dagger interaction with invisibility

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  • [Confirmed] Spectral Dagger interaction with invisibility

    Originally posted by ChrisC View Post
    - Fixed invisible units that were not the target of Spectral Dagger giving vision of their location.
    This has indeed been fixed. Thanks.
    None of the units that just walk over an already existent Spectral Dagger Path get revealed by any means. They also do not grant shared vision as they did.

    But there is something strange.


    > Cast Spectral Dagger on a unit, either by ground targeting, or unit targeting, doesn't matter
    > Cast Shadow Blade with that unit
    > Walk around

    This is what happens:





    You see the, it sometimes gives Shared Vision again, which shouldn't happen...

    > > Skip to 0:00, 0:57, 1:15, 1:32, 3:00 and 3:20 for the examples





    But sometimes, it just works fine, almost fine.
    It doesn't give any vision of the target, which is correct. Gives the vision of the path, which is correct.
    But the path is not visible to Spectre, which is wrong. The path is drawn when watched from the invisible unit's point of view, though... For some reason, it doesn't get drawn on the Spectre's side on these occasions.

    > > Skip to 0:19 and watch it till 0:31. The only thing missing there is the black nasty looking dirt on the ground. It should be drawn on the area I that I hover my cursor on.
    > > You can see the same thing occuring several more times after 1:50.
    This happens completely in random. At least, I and Kevinriz9r couldn't find a correlation. No, it's not about casting on ground or targeting the unit directly.
    Last edited by ThoAppelsin; 01-31-2013, 01:28 PM.

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    you mean th e white circle?
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    • #3
      Watch the fog of war man...

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      • #4
        I haven't played D1, but from what I followed on Appelsin's analysis (correct me if I am wrong pls) Spec should have vision only of his shadow dagger path. After the updated fix, Spec has vision of the affected unit's vision. Basically, even though you don't see the actual enemy unit, you see where they're going. (am I correct in this assumption ?)
        The white circle is irrelevant, it was just a test thing. focus the video when naix goes invisible but Spectre sees what Lifestealer sees.
        Explanations on the normal, high and very high brackets in replays: here, here & here
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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Nomad View Post
          Basically, even though you don't see the actual enemy unit, you see where they're going. (am I correct in this assumption ?)
          It is more than that. You also see that unit's vision when that happens. Watch the fog of war. You see a remote 800 AoE vision granted by the enemy Lifestealer. That bonus shared vision shouldn't be there.
          You are right on the DotA 1 part.



          Skip to 0:19 and watch it till 0:31. The only thing missing there is the black nasty looking dirt on the ground. It should be drawn on the area I that I hover my cursor on.
          This is the exact description of how it is on DotA 1.

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          • #6
            ^yeah it's also not drawing when a unit goes into fog, which is kind of annoying :/ You can't tell where your path is very easily at all...
            Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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            • #7
              This issue prevails as it is described on the original post.
              It randomly does one of the two things. One of them is way too much powerful than what Spectral Dagger intends for both against invisible and visible units, the other one makes it significantly harder to track the invisible units than intended.
              I really wonder why it wasn't possible to make it the way I suggested on the original post...

              The only thing missing there is the black nasty looking dirt on the ground.
              Issue summed up:
              • Spectral Dagger shouldn't ever grant shared vision, while it occasionally does right now.
              • Spectral Dagger path should be visible to Spectre and her allies. The path DOES get created regardless the target gets invisible or not, it just doesn't get shown to Spectre from the point on the target gets invisible...

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              • #8
                added to sticky.
                Make sure to read the Forum Rules as well as the stickied Threads of the Forum Section you are posting in.

                Contributions i'd like to highlight:
                My Suggestion: Coaching System
                My Sticky: Intended Changes List
                My Challenge: Completely Fixed Hero Challenge: Skywrath Mage

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                • #9
                  this should be fixed on the test client.
                  please confirm.
                  Make sure to read the Forum Rules as well as the stickied Threads of the Forum Section you are posting in.

                  Contributions i'd like to highlight:
                  My Suggestion: Coaching System
                  My Sticky: Intended Changes List
                  My Challenge: Completely Fixed Hero Challenge: Skywrath Mage

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                  • #10
                    Nah. They have made it so that it gives Shared Vision all the time.
                    They should have found a way to make only the path appear, without giving the shared vision all the times.

                    I disconfirm the fix, it is not proper.

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                    • #11
                      this was only partially fixed: Spectre: Fixed Spectral Dagger sometimes creating invisible paths... BUT
                      Make sure to read the Forum Rules as well as the stickied Threads of the Forum Section you are posting in.

                      Contributions i'd like to highlight:
                      My Suggestion: Coaching System
                      My Sticky: Intended Changes List
                      My Challenge: Completely Fixed Hero Challenge: Skywrath Mage

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                      • #12
                        This bug is still present today, there was a Lion that didn't leave his base to go to bottom lane to plant Sentry Ward so the Spectre's Dagger was definitely overriding Slark's Ultimate so Slark could not get Health Regeneration or Increased Movement Speed. It was as if Slark himself was giving vision to Spectre instead of there being a 'dummy unit' for Spectre spawned giving her vision. I'll post a video after the replay becomes available.
                        I will mercilessly add to my ignore list anyone that makes an incredibly annoying signature.

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                        • #13
                          Same with any shared vision instances & slark. Barathrum's charge also stops slark's movespeed & regen while he's invis.
                          Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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                          • #14
                            Match ID:
                            169572868


                            There's some sort of bug in the video, oh my, haha...the last section where I try to review their items got deleted and overwritten by an old loop of footage, that's odd. Well, you can check the replay yourself and confirm the items.
                            Last edited by hoveringmover; 04-09-2013, 06:49 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Yeah, this is still happening. A bounty hunter that was on other team got killed due to this. Funny thing was he was sitting on top of a sentry ward, so he knew nothing was seeing him and called everyone on that bullshit.

                              dota2://matchid=222012151&matchtime=2113
                              Last edited by Dr Quint; 06-18-2013, 01:30 PM.

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