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  • [Outdated] Compilation of Visage bugs

    1. In Dota 1 Centaur ultimate doesn't work on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (No slow, no damage) [Fixed]

    2. In Dota 1 Traxex frost arrows slow familiars for 1 second. In Dota 2 it slows them for 7 seconds. [Fixed]

    3. In Dota 1 Wisp tether doesn't stun familiars. In Dota 2 it's stuns them. [Fixed]

    4. In Dota 1 Crystal Maiden can't cast frostbite on familiars. In Dota 2 she can. [Fixed]

    5. In Dota 1 Rubick can't cast telekinesis on familiars. In Dota 2 he can.
    Also in Dota 1 Familiars doesn't get stun after target landing. In Dota 2 they got stun. [Fixed]


    6. In Dota 1 Twin head dragon ice path doesn't stun familiars. In Dota 2 it's stuns them.
    Liquid fire in Dota 1 doesn't work on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (No damage, no attack speed reduction) [Fixed]


    7. In Dota 1 Puck ultimate doesn't link familiars. In Dota 2 they got link. (Why? They not heroes) [Fixed]

    8. In Dota 1 Storm spirit overload doesn't work on familiars (or work very short time). In Dota 2 it's works on them. [Fixed]

    9. In Dota 1 Batrider flamebreak doesn't work on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (No damage, no mini-stun, not push off them) [Fixed]

    10. In Dota 1 Dazzle weave doesn't work on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (Why? They not heroes) [Fixed]

    11. In Dota 1 Templar assasin traps doesn't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. [Fixed]

    12. In Dota 1 Witch doctor maledict doesn't work on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (Why? They not heroes) [Fixed]

    13. In Dota 1 Spectre spectral dagger doesn't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. [Fixed]


    14. In Dota 1 Nyx spiked carapace doesn't work if only familiars hit them. In Dota 2 it's works even if main hero doesn't attack him. [Fixed]

    15. In Dota 1 Void time walk doen't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. [Fixed]

    16. In Dota 1 all Timbersaw skills doesn't hit familiars. In Dota 2 all skills can hit them. (No damage) [Fixed]

    17. In Dota 1 Vengeful spirit wave of terror doesn't hit familiars. In Dota 2 it's hits them.

    18. In Dota 1 Troll warlord whirling axes (ranged) doesn't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. [Fixed]

    19. In Dota 1 Treant ultimate doesn't ensnare familiars. In Dota 2 it's ensnares them. [Fixed]

    20. In Dota 1 Tusk frozen sigil doesn't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. (No attack speed reduction, no movespeed reduction) [Fixed]


    21. In Dota 1 Earthshaker fissure doesn't stun familiars. In Dota 2 it's stuns them. (but aftershock still stun familiars) [Fixed]

    22. In Dota 1 Alchemist unstable concoction doesn't working on familiars. In Dota 2 it's works on them. (No stun, no damage)

    23. In Dota 1 Sven storm hammer doesn't stun familiars. In Dota 2 it's stun them. [Fixed]

    24. In Dota 1 Sand king burrowstrike doesn't stun familiars. In Dota 2 it's stun them. (HUGE SPIKE OF DEATH) [Fixed]

    25. In Dota 1 Undying flesh golem doesn't slow familiars. In Dota 2 it's slows them. [Fixed]

    26. In Dota 1 Visage get movespeed and attackspeed with grave chill even if target have linken sphere (target doesn't get slow). In Dota 2 if target have lniken sphere ability full blocked. [Intended, Linken's no more partially blocks spells]

    Sorry for my poor English.
    Version of Dota 1 6.77b.
    Last edited by bu3ny; 02-09-2014, 04:24 AM. Reason: Updated

  • #2
    Most of them are because of the fact that they are no longer considered flying because there is no flying unit in dota 2
    My English is not great and i know it

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    • #3
      A majority of the bugs you listed about familiars are due to the ancient interraction with a lot of skills being incorrect. My thread http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=73960 shows some of them (I am as of yet too lazy to finish my list, so it'll probably stay incomplete for a while).

      Bug numbers 4 and 20 is due to there not being any flying units anymore (even flying batrider is now targettable) and I believe that this is an intended change.

      Number 27 is due to the new linkens general rule, which is that all components of a skill are now blocked rather than it picking and choosing.
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      • #4
        +1
        I often play on the Visage, and I'm already tired of these bugs,
        I hope Valve will fix them

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        • #5
          +1 and +26 BUMP

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          • #6
            Visage is my new favorite hero, and these bugs will really help this hero go higher than 2 least played hero after Chen.
            VOLVO PLZ FIX

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            • #7
              So ...
              Why no message "added to sticky"?

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              • #8
                The ones that are because of being flying might not get implemented, but the ones that are because of not being heroes should definitely get fixed (I wonder what they were thinking when making them heroes, specially when it doesn't fix things like frost arrows). Also the ones related to ancient and Resistant Skin. What I'm saying: use the same classifiers as with Spirit Bear, and further add the flying interactions if you want to buff visage more. After all these are balance decisions taken by the DotA2 devs, like it or not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowCrab View Post
                  So ...
                  Why no message "added to sticky"?
                  because i am not sure which of those 27 bugs are confirmable and which are intended fixes.
                  it's best to let valve see for themselves.
                  Make sure to read the Forum Rules as well as the stickied Threads of the Forum Section you are posting in.

                  Contributions i'd like to highlight:
                  My Suggestion: Coaching System
                  My Sticky: Intended Changes List
                  My Challenge: Completely Fixed Hero Challenge: Skywrath Mage

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                  • #10
                    "intended" or not, the fixes and nonfixes change balance. It's better to implement the parity fixes (that can be confirmed) into the game, and THEN run the intended fixes, THEN adjust for balance as needed.

                    It's just too easy for devs to look at the list, see the reason why the bugs occurred, and dismiss them as engine limitations.

                    Engine limitations were a problem in dota 1, and the wonderful thing about dota 2 is that we can overcome them. But each 'intended' fix really needs to be looked at in terms of balance.

                    You can't just make sweeping careless (and dare I say lazy) decisions about letting bugs stand in a game with 110 different classes.

                    This reminds me of Spectre's "intended" fix and how it destroyed her viability.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Linken View Post
                      "intended" or not, the fixes and nonfixes change balance. It's better to implement the parity fixes (that can be confirmed) into the game, and THEN run the intended fixes, THEN adjust for balance as needed.
                      I +1 this with my whole heart.
                      5 star post man. I sincerely agree that this would be the correct way to do it.

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                      • #12
                        Icefrog should give familiars ancient status. Those origami birds are too damn weak...But this is Playdota stuff anway.

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                        • #13
                          Aren't almost all of these because familiars don't use the same flying mechanics as dota1 and considered intended fixes? I know many of the skills batrider could avoid in dota2 were "intended fixes" in dota2

                          some that stand out to me:

                          Maledict: they should be immune to maledict as they are not heroes. Resistant skin makes them 'heroes' for the purposes of skills that effect creeps AND heroes but have hero specific effects (1s stun from cask, for instance).
                          Weave: same as maledict
                          Carapace: isn't this the case for any creep controlled by heroes in dota2?
                          Vengeful spirit: probably 'intended' as the effect works on ancients
                          Puck ult: same as maledict
                          Blackhole: they are not ancients, and thus should be effected. Similar to panda brewlings previously were immune (But balance changed to not be). I assume the reason why they are not in dota1 is because they are 'flying' while dota1 does not have this
                          Last edited by Wally; 03-11-2013, 02:05 PM.

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                          • #14
                            In the whole list, there are only 2 spells which can't affect the familliars in DotA1 because of the engine (can't be used on flying units).

                            The rest are just spells which exclude the birds as targets. Fissure stuns Beastmaster's bird (flying unit) and Lone Druid's bear (ancient unit), but not Visage's birds (ancient and flying) in DotA1 and it has nothing to do with the engine. They are just excluded in the codings as targets. That goes for nearly every spell in the list.
                            Please, just call me buny.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kunze-Waldemar View Post
                              Icefrog should give familiars ancient status. Those origami birds are too damn weak...But this is Playdota stuff anway.
                              They are ancients.

                              Also the resistant skin issues thread
                              and the ancients issues thread

                              should catch all of the (non-flying related) issues (which are not just on the birds, but also on other things such as panda spirits and warlock's golem). That being said I forgot to check the AoE stun on Unstable Concoction (so that is wrong) and I am far away from finishing testing on the ancients thread.
                              Last edited by Wyn-Ryder; 03-11-2013, 06:31 PM.
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