[Confirmed] Lifesteal gets applied before everything

[ThoAppelsin]

[37:18.90] Wisp receives Unholy Rage buff from Wisp.
[37:19.84] Wisp's Satanic heals Wisp for 383 health (1287->1670).
[37:19.84] Wisp hits Windrunner for 981 damage (1188->207).
[37:19.84] Windrunner hits Wisp with Blade Mail for 981 damage (1670->689).
[37:22.41] Wisp loses Unholy Rage buff.

I could not find anything related in the list...
Anyway, the lifesteal gets applied before everything.
It should be getting applied after everything.

Look at the combat log; my Wisp with 5 rapiers and a satanic activates its satanic, attacks the windrunner who has the active blademail.
Wisp has the potential of getting healed by 981*2 = 1962 points, this gets capped by 383 since it logically hits the maxHP quota there.
After dealing the damage, my Wisp gets damaged by this Blade Mail for 981 damage, full reflection.

What should be happening is that;
- if my damage output was way too high, that it exceeded my current HP there (something more than 1287), I should die after dealing the damage, before I even manage to get some lifesteal healing
OR
- if my damage output was not that so high, like it already is (something lower than 1287), I should get damaged by 981, end up in 1287->306 HP, and after that, get healed by 981*2 = 1962 points, which shall be capped down to 1364 points (= my MaxHP - CurrentHP); in short, end up with maximum HP

[chukky-jr]

huh funny i remember someone already reported about this before, i can't seem to find the thread too

added to sti.. waiting for blash to confirm

[blash365]

added to sticky.

[Wyn-Ryder]

This has been reported before by shamanics. I'll wait for him to find the thread... It was to do with blademail/lifesteal though

[Wyn-Ryder]

Well if this ever gets fixed then lifesteal will correctly work against Shallow Grave

[21:15.61] Lina's Satanic heals Lina for 7 health (947->954).[21:15.61] Lina hits Bristleback for 280 damage (281->1).
[21:16.74] Lina's Satanic heals Lina for 7 health (961->968).
[21:16.74] Lina hits Bristleback for 285 damage (286->1).

Considering that it procs bristleback

Also still waiting on shamanics to find his other thread :/

[Shamanics]

You know you can search them yourself right?

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=58046

[Wyn-Ryder]

Well... Yeah, but I wasn't 100% sure if you were first post or not, and I couldn't find it on the bugs sticky, so I just gave up.

[Noo]

[Confirmed] Lifesteal heals the owner too early

[06:17.32] Phantom Assassin uses Satanic.

[06:17.32] Phantom Assassin receives Unholy Rage buff from Phantom Assassin.

[06:18.36] Phantom Assassin's Satanic heals Phantom Assassin for 1325 health (82->1407).

[06:18.36] Phantom Assassin hits Sniper for 662 damage (1214->552).

[06:18.36] Sniper hits Phantom Assassin with Blade Mail for 662 damage (1406->744).





The order is messed up, PA dies in this situation in WC3.

[Noo]

Noticed another thing, 175% of 662 isn't 1325. Is lifesteal based on before reduction now?

[Kidades]

Noticed another thing, 175% of 662 isn't 1325. Is lifesteal based on before reduction now?

It's 200% (175% unholy rage + 25% base).
200% of 662 is 1325

[crinckle]

So that seems to be another bug. IIRC its just supposed to replace the 25% lifesteal with 175% not give extra 175%.
Edit: Not a bug. Its supposed to give 200%.

[Kidades]

It's supposed to give extra 175%.

[crinckle]

Yes, you are right. I was testing in Warcraft 3 and tooltip itself says 200% lifesteal instead of extra 175%.
Also about the OP, I can confirm that the PA would die in WC3.

[Noo]

When did it get changed to 175+25? It wasn't always like this, it was once just 175% I think.

[crinckle]

When did it get changed to 175+25? It wasn't always like this, it was once just 175% I think.

I think the confusion is because WC3 tooltip mentions the total lifesteal and dota 2 mentions the extra lifesteal. Also the total was increased from 175% to 200% in 6.67.