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[Confirmed] Lifesteal gets applied before everything

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  • [Confirmed] Lifesteal gets applied before everything

    [37:18.90] Wisp receives Unholy Rage buff from Wisp.
    [37:19.84] Wisp's Satanic heals Wisp for 383 health (1287->1670).
    [37:19.84] Wisp hits Windrunner for 981 damage (1188->207).
    [37:19.84] Windrunner hits Wisp with Blade Mail for 981 damage (1670->689).
    [37:22.41] Wisp loses Unholy Rage buff.
    I could not find anything related in the list...
    Anyway, the lifesteal gets applied before everything.
    It should be getting applied after everything.

    Look at the combat log; my Wisp with 5 rapiers and a satanic activates its satanic, attacks the windrunner who has the active blademail.
    Wisp has the potential of getting healed by 981*2 = 1962 points, this gets capped by 383 since it logically hits the maxHP quota there.
    After dealing the damage, my Wisp gets damaged by this Blade Mail for 981 damage, full reflection.

    What should be happening is that;
    - if my damage output was way too high, that it exceeded my current HP there (something more than 1287), I should die after dealing the damage, before I even manage to get some lifesteal healing
    OR
    - if my damage output was not that so high, like it already is (something lower than 1287), I should get damaged by 981, end up in 1287->306 HP, and after that, get healed by 981*2 = 1962 points, which shall be capped down to 1364 points (= my MaxHP - CurrentHP); in short, end up with maximum HP

  • #2
    huh funny i remember someone already reported about this before, i can't seem to find the thread too

    added to sti.. waiting for blash to confirm
    Testing bugs between DOTA 2 and DotA - No Test Client
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    Originally posted by GothicCream
    Almost of every pokemon game that have online match. 75% of player are using full legendary pokemon team with all of them being sent out from master ball. And they got pawn by Magikarp.

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    • #3
      added to sticky.
      Make sure to read the Forum Rules as well as the stickied Threads of the Forum Section you are posting in.

      Contributions i'd like to highlight:
      My Suggestion: Coaching System
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      • #4
        This has been reported before by shamanics. I'll wait for him to find the thread... It was to do with blademail/lifesteal though
        Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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        • #5
          Well if this ever gets fixed then lifesteal will correctly work against Shallow Grave

          [21:15.61] Lina's Satanic heals Lina for 7 health (947->954).[21:15.61] Lina hits Bristleback for 280 damage (281->1).
          [21:16.74] Lina's Satanic heals Lina for 7 health (961->968).
          [21:16.74] Lina hits Bristleback for 285 damage (286->1).

          Considering that it procs bristleback

          Also still waiting on shamanics to find his other thread :/
          Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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          • #6
            You know you can search them yourself right?

            http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=58046

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            • #7
              Well... Yeah, but I wasn't 100% sure if you were first post or not, and I couldn't find it on the bugs sticky, so I just gave up.
              Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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              • #8
                [Confirmed] Lifesteal heals the owner too early

                [06:17.32] Phantom Assassin uses Satanic.

                [06:17.32] Phantom Assassin receives Unholy Rage buff from Phantom Assassin.

                [06:18.36] Phantom Assassin's Satanic heals Phantom Assassin for 1325 health (82->1407).

                [06:18.36] Phantom Assassin hits Sniper for 662 damage (1214->552).

                [06:18.36] Sniper hits Phantom Assassin with Blade Mail for 662 damage (1406->744).





                The order is messed up, PA dies in this situation in WC3.
                Last edited by Noo; 04-04-2015, 03:09 AM.

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                • #9
                  Noticed another thing, 175% of 662 isn't 1325. Is lifesteal based on before reduction now?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Noo View Post
                    Noticed another thing, 175% of 662 isn't 1325. Is lifesteal based on before reduction now?
                    It's 200% (175% unholy rage + 25% base).
                    200% of 662 is 1325
                    Originally posted by Crowfeather
                    The average mmr in the 3.4k is lower than the average mmr in the 3.5k .
                    Originally posted by Legdotus
                    in the middle of my game, I go to the menu, and watch a friend's game. That makes no sense to me.
                    Originally posted by twl04046
                    Sometimes the zeus ulti suddenly activated and it really scared me...

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                    • #11
                      So that seems to be another bug. IIRC its just supposed to replace the 25% lifesteal with 175% not give extra 175%.
                      Edit: Not a bug. Its supposed to give 200%.
                      Last edited by crinckle; 10-28-2014, 07:32 AM.

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                      • #12
                        It's supposed to give extra 175%.
                        Originally posted by Crowfeather
                        The average mmr in the 3.4k is lower than the average mmr in the 3.5k .
                        Originally posted by Legdotus
                        in the middle of my game, I go to the menu, and watch a friend's game. That makes no sense to me.
                        Originally posted by twl04046
                        Sometimes the zeus ulti suddenly activated and it really scared me...

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                        • #13
                          Yes, you are right. I was testing in Warcraft 3 and tooltip itself says 200% lifesteal instead of extra 175%.
                          Also about the OP, I can confirm that the PA would die in WC3.
                          Last edited by crinckle; 10-28-2014, 07:34 AM.

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                          • #14
                            When did it get changed to 175+25? It wasn't always like this, it was once just 175% I think.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Noo View Post
                              When did it get changed to 175+25? It wasn't always like this, it was once just 175% I think.
                              I think the confusion is because WC3 tooltip mentions the total lifesteal and dota 2 mentions the extra lifesteal. Also the total was increased from 175% to 200% in 6.67.

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