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[Confirmed] Bugging out from cliffs (sprout)

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  • [Confirmed] Bugging out from cliffs (sprout)

    (First of all, if anyone can make a better OP post just write it in the reply section.)

    Furion's sprout ability can bug units out from cliffs when it shouldn't be possible

    MatchID 205755975
    30:40 replay time the bug occurs

    repro:
    1. Pick Furlion
    2.Pick Phantom lancer (might work with other heroes also)
    3.Pick Wisp or pick Vengeful spirit with forcestaff, or pudge with hook, or just buy a dagger/forcestaff for the phantom lancer.
    4. Feed some kills to bloodseeker (not sure if necessary, might not be)
    5. Go to a cliff and get all the heroes mentioned before up there
    6. Use doppelwalk with Phantom lancer and move to corner
    7. Use Sprout with furlion on the right spot (like shown on the replay)

    Result: Phantom lancer gets down from the cliff

    Expected result: Phantom lancer won't get down from the cliff, and stays there.


    And no, I haven't tested in wc3 but most likely it checks on the same height if there is any space and moves the hero there, instead of dropping him down from the cliff just like in the replay.


    OT: Almost won that game

  • #2
    Nope there is no bug, this is a quirk of Wc3 and was abused/used a lot in the game Sheep Tag. To trick jump away from the chasers (raiders).

    I'll go and test it anyway in Dota1
    .

    Well with sheep tag that was with buildings.

    It turns out in Wc3 trees do not displace anything, they can even be put directly upon units. Much like that happened in Vapirism actually :L
    So yeh currently trees are bugged in the fact they should not displace units at all (It should be impossible to fill the cliffs enough to cause displacement, however you can displace units by going into forests(surrounded by trees) then spamming the spell on WTF.


    So this is a good bug find !

    Confirmed --> Now just need a mod to add to sticky D=
    Last edited by Crowfeather; 05-28-2013, 11:13 AM.
    Originally posted by Typhox
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    • #3
      Now we must just investigate has the step 4 do anything with the bug.

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      • #4
        No it doesn't
        Originally posted by Typhox
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        • #5
          Trees can displace if you're moving... Furion's sprout has sometimes spawned completely filled out sprouts, causing your hero to displace out of it. When you are displaced you should follow ground movement rules to the nearest space large enough for your unit to fit --> so you should not go down cliffs if you can move to a same-level terrain with no obstructions to it. I will draw a sketch about this at some point, as the same applies for non-targettable summons.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wyn-Ryder View Post
            Trees can displace if you're moving... Furion's sprout has sometimes spawned completely filled out sprouts, causing your hero to displace out of it. When you are displaced you should follow ground movement rules to the nearest space large enough for your unit to fit --> so you should not go down cliffs if you can move to a same-level terrain with no obstructions to it. I will draw a sketch about this at some point, as the same applies for non-targettable summons.
            I jumped onto the cliff with 20 meepos and 5 furions. I proceeded to sprout spam on wtf mode everywhere on these heroes. Not one of them was displaced, The only time I was able to achieve displacement was by Teleporting furion into the woods (Surrounded by trees) then completely blocking myself up with trees. I believe that placement collision of a tree is something like unit of 1 or something. Effectively it is impossible to displace people from cliffs, and it is semi impossible to displace yourself from trees as you cannot sprout that many trees without WTF Mode.


            Also the Dota1 is bugged with handling multiple meepos controlled by a single player and the meepo's ulti, in relation to creation of new meepos. It creates 4 every time its leveld once o.O
            Originally posted by Typhox
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            Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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            • #7
              While moving. If you are moving the game engine displaces you. I didn't argue that you were wrong, I was just adding to it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wyn-Ryder View Post
                While moving. If you are moving the game engine displaces you. I didn't argue that you were wrong, I was just adding to it.
                That makes sense ^^ otherwise it would never trap anyone :L

                Ill go test it on a cliff with them moving :L

                When moving the units are unaffected on the cliff.

                Sprout when used on a moving target will either miss the target completely (have no effect) or they will push the target inside the circle of sprouted trees. However this does not allow for cliff jumps or wall jumps.



                @Winxp Both cogs and Sprout are bugged.
                Last edited by Crowfeather; 05-29-2013, 06:39 AM.
                Originally posted by Typhox
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                Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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                • #9
                  I've seen furion sprout someone who was cogged and the target ended up outside both the cogs and the trees. I'm fairly certain that's not intended.
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                  • #10
                    added to sticky.
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                    • #11
                      Isn't this basically the same as this or this? Looks like twice the same bug on the known bugs list.

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                      • #12
                        The Sprout fissure is probably due to a fissure knock back interaction.
                        The Sprout Cogs issue is probably the same, as this thread.
                        Originally posted by Typhox
                        Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
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                        • #13
                          should i mention here that i am able to kick TA out of meld with sprout? if you cast trees on her (and its very easy to target aswell just edge her with the spell)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MaKacknAffe View Post
                            should i mention here that i am able to kick TA out of meld with sprout? if you cast trees on her (and its very easy to target aswell just edge her with the spell)
                            That's the correct interaction. Any movement should remove meld.
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                            • #15
                              did you read the thread at all? this thread is about sprout is able to displace

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