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  • miambox
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    Yeah, in the 2nd edit of my first post, i came to the conclusion that it might mb be related to creeps aggro

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  • Typhox
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    Tower aggro is the same as creep aggro. (should be at least)
    It's easier to test and prove with lane creeps and it's way more common in a normal game as well.
    When you issue an attack command on an enemy hero in DotA 1, it doesn't matter how far away the hero is, you will draw the creep aggro instantly.
    When you issue an attack command on an enemy hero in Dota 2, you only draw the creep aggro as soon as your hero actually starts the attack against the other hero.
    This is the result of my short tests.
    If it is indeed like this, it's a big nerf for any Melee heroes in a lane, because they can't really do something against enemy denies anymore (in DotA 1 you could just draw the creep aggression so they are closer to yourself).
    Also, there should be already a thread about it, but I'm not finding it :S

    Edit2: I don't find an appropriate thread. Might as well create one myself. Tomorrow. *yaaawn*
    Last edited by Typhox; 08-22-2012, 10:00 AM.

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  • miambox
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    Well, seems we had some issue cause of my bad english, I didn't understood why you didn't understood me, and mb also same for you, I will nevertheless make a fresh start in editing this post, to make it clearer.

    So I will consider 2 cases:
    • case1: 2 heroes 1 creep
    • case 2: 1 hero 3 creeps (If we remove the ranged creep it will remove one condition that would only make that case more complicated)

    In those both case, the tower has no ally creep to help it.


    Case1: heroes are called AAA and BBB and the creep is called c.
    AAA is closer than BBB to the tower
    AAA is only moving (thus no attack action to the tower)
    BBB is making an attack action to the tower, but is not yet in range to hit the tower, but BBB is in tower's range

    In dota1 after c die, the tower will attack BBB
    In dota2 after c die, the tower will attack AAA

    Case2: hero is called AAA, creeps are called B C D.
    B is under the focus of the tower (and will die before reaching it)
    B is closer than C to the tower and C is closer than D to the tower
    before B die, AAA will become the closest unit to the tower (but will not issue any offensif action toward the tower)

    In dota1 after B die, the tower will attack C
    In dota2 after B die, the tower will attack AAA


    Video of case1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTul...ature=youtu.be
    Last edited by miambox; 08-22-2012, 09:08 AM.

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  • Typhox
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    Originally posted by miambox View Post
    Dota2, attack command on tower but not yet hitting = not considered as attacking tower
    Dota1, no matter if you hit or if you only made an attack command on the tower = considered as attacking tower
    This is completely different from your original post ( "In dota1, when tower has to choose a target it will take the creeps even if the hero is closer, cause the hero isn't issuing an attacking movement to the tower
    In dota2, when tower has to choose a new target, it will take the hero, even tough this hero do not issue an attack command to the tower")
    I'd suggest you make a new thread or edit your original post so it fits your "new findings".

    Edit: Ahhh, now I get what you're trying to say...
    The tower in DotA 1 attacks you when you issue an attack command, even if you don't actually attack the tower, while in Dota 2 it only counts attacks that actually happened for creep aggro.
    Why don't you just say it in the beginning ... ?
    Last edited by Typhox; 08-22-2012, 08:53 AM.

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  • miambox
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    Once again, but without the "block that change everything"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTul...ature=youtu.be

    The behaviour is clearly different

    Dota2, attack command on tower but not yet hitting = not considered as attacking tower
    Dota1, no matter if you hit or if you only made an attack command on the tower = considered as attacking tower

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  • CvP
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    Discuss this while maintaining manners please.

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  • miambox
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    You shown nothing, ranged creep was already hitting at tower

    What i did show is that in dota2 contrary to dota1 there's a difference (for tower) between attacking and issuing an attack command

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  • Typhox
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    Originally posted by miambox View Post
    okey try it yourself, and then show your result...
    blocking has never changed the aggro behaviour, ever....
    Only your hp, target you are hitting, what kind of unit you are, and distance from tower change the aggro behaviour
    Do you really believe I would have written such a post if I didn't try it myself?!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-QXN3fE9o
    If that makes you happy ... - -
    At least my videos have quality.

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  • miambox
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    okey try it yourself, and then show your result...
    blocking has never changed the aggro behaviour, ever....
    Only your hp, target you are hitting, what kind of unit you are, and distance from tower change the aggro behaviour
    Last edited by miambox; 08-22-2012, 06:37 AM.

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  • Typhox
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    Originally posted by miambox View Post
    And second check this :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOsB...ature=youtu.be
    the most important thing of the whole topic
    You're blocking the anti mage with your lich. Your lich was closer to the tower when the tower started attacking, and the anti mage didn't even hit the tower at that time (out of range).
    Your tests are very sloppy. I just tested it myself with Jakiro so I got very clear results. Tower is remembering who attacks it.
    There's no bug.
    Your tests just are extremely bad.
    Request for close.

    PS: Sorry for the hard words, but it just makes me mad if someone posts a video-proof, and it doesn't proof anything because you're just too lazy to make it a clear one and instead decided your units to do extremely close and arguably actions.
    If you request it, I upload a video, if not, then maybe I still upload it.
    Last edited by Typhox; 08-22-2012, 05:52 AM.

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  • miambox
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    First, tower aren't doing: animation, search target, hit, they do search, target animation, hit, so you musst check when target die

    And second check this :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOsB...ature=youtu.be
    the most important thing of the whole topic

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  • tikshow
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    Originally posted by Eric37073 View Post
    to me towers are attacking the closest target... which is correct
    screenshots in #7 are not good. they onlys shows the position when lich used sacrifice/dark ritual, but not the position when towers attack
    New pics, right before the projectiles left the tower.


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  • Zaz
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    I see no issue here. tower Attack the closest enemy target, hero or not. But i noticed if a hero attack the tower while it targeting another hero, it chances the target to the hero attacking it. works like a lure to save your partner.

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  • miambox
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    But if unit is using an attack command on tower, it has an higher priority over unit that just stand near tower but not attack tower (I think only exeption(s) is/are cata and mb ward).
    And currently tower don't really know who are issuing attack command on them

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  • Eric37073
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    to me towers are attacking the closest target... which is correct
    screenshots in #7 are not good. they onlys shows the position when lich used sacrifice/dark ritual, but not the position when towers attack

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