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  • Originally posted by Radio View Post
    Speaking of orbs... would it be that bad to allow orb-switching by sorting your items in the inventory? e.g. if you have a Helm and a Diffusal, the system should use whatever orb comes first in your inventory. IIRC that's how it worked before, right? Now you have to drop the orb you don't want to use and pick it up again.

    Oh and for newer players: give them a buff icon "Conflicting Orbs" which appears when they're stacking orbs. The icon will warn them they have more than 1 orb active etc. etc. This might be a good idea to teach new players to avoid orb stacking, especially since there are several cases of multiple orbs in recommended builds.
    http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/Orb_Effects
    No, Lifesteal > Diffusal at all time, some orbs indeed were working on place or priority slot, but lifesteal + diffusal was not one of them.

    And I don't think the players who ignore the giant block of text about how Uniqut Attack Modifiers don't stack on the item text (y'know, where you read about what the item does) will notice a tiny little icon on the bar. And if it's too big then it's just being obtrusive, not to mention some people ends up buying different orbs because they change their needs, but selling the old item would be waste of gold compare to keeping it for stats besides orb, or they keep it to 'switch' orb (like say, a Sniper who bought Desolator early, have the game went on really long and decide to switch to using Satanic for most of the time, and only drop/pickup Satanic when the enemies are dead to use the deso orb)
    Every time someone make a false report.
    Making people's losses feel worse with just my name (don't ask me how it work, I certainly don't)

    Currently observed Orb(Unique Attack Modifiers), Critical, and Bash interactions for DotA2

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    • Originally posted by RoflCat View Post
      No, Lifesteal > Diffusal at all time, some orbs indeed were working on place or priority slot, but lifesteal + diffusal was not one of them.
      In DOTA 2 if you drop Diffusal and pick it up again, Lifesteal takes over, and vice versa. I don't see the problem in allowing orb switching via inventory slot anyway, it's something that happens rarely and it doesn't make the orbs any more efficient.

      And I don't think the players who ignore the giant block of text about how Uniqut Attack Modifiers don't stack on the item text (y'know, where you read about what the item does) will notice a tiny little icon on the bar.
      Anything helps. It's not a problem for me but I've heard complaints about recommended builds in low level games.
      Last edited by Radio; 12-11-2012, 07:52 AM.

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      • Note for self:
        - Fixed Shadow Blade interaction with Cleave and Critical Strike.

        Although since I won't have access to DotA2 for a while, once the main client get update can someone test to be sure this fix is in.
        Every time someone make a false report.
        Making people's losses feel worse with just my name (don't ask me how it work, I certainly don't)

        Currently observed Orb(Unique Attack Modifiers), Critical, and Bash interactions for DotA2

        To:
        People who cry MM isn't fair: Maybe you're not as great as you make yourself to be.
        People who wants surrender: It exists, but I'm not teaching you how to do it.

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        • Actually, only 3 pairings (Corruption and Chain Lightning, Corruption and melee Skadi, Chain Lightning and melee Skadi, if you don't take into account having twice the same orb effect...) had the place thingy in DotA 1 : http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/Orb_Effects

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          • Originally posted by RoflCat View Post
            Note for self:
            - Fixed Shadow Blade interaction with Cleave and Critical Strike.

            Although since I won't have access to DotA2 for a while, once the main client get update can someone test to be sure this fix is in.
            Should only be for Critical Strike. Cleave 'fix' was incorrect, and reverted in a later patch.
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            • Originally posted by DLRevan View Post
              Should only be for Critical Strike. Cleave 'fix' was incorrect, and reverted in a later patch.
              Just to be sure, is this the correct interaction as of this patch:
              If both crit and shadow blade are used.
              The cleaved damage (as well as outgoing attack damage) = (attack damage * critical multiplier) + Windwalk bonus?

              (For testing, just use Bounty Hunter + Shadow Blade and Battlefury, check the 'normal' Jinada value then compare with SBlade + Jinada)

              Given how they standardized Bash, I don't think they'll make Kunkka a special exception.

              If it's the same interaction on all case, then I can just add another note on crit + windwalk stacking (and just move out Shadow Blade from the bonus damage list)

              If not, ugh.


              .- . Oh how I wish I have access to my DotA2 PC right now so I can test things like a mad scientist once again.
              Last edited by RoflCat; 12-17-2012, 10:18 PM.
              Every time someone make a false report.
              Making people's losses feel worse with just my name (don't ask me how it work, I certainly don't)

              Currently observed Orb(Unique Attack Modifiers), Critical, and Bash interactions for DotA2

              To:
              People who cry MM isn't fair: Maybe you're not as great as you make yourself to be.
              People who wants surrender: It exists, but I'm not teaching you how to do it.

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              • Originally posted by RoflCat View Post
                The cleaved damage (as well as outgoing attack damage) = (attack damage * critical multiplier) + Windwalk bonus?
                Yes, thats correct, and should be consistent across all examples.
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                • - Fixed MKB dealing bonus damage to towers.


                  Goodbye MKB-massing-backdooring Clinkz, you were fun to use while it lasted ; ;

                  EDIT: Once it goes live, can someone test if it still proc on Siege?
                  Last edited by RoflCat; 01-23-2013, 08:01 PM.
                  Every time someone make a false report.
                  Making people's losses feel worse with just my name (don't ask me how it work, I certainly don't)

                  Currently observed Orb(Unique Attack Modifiers), Critical, and Bash interactions for DotA2

                  To:
                  People who cry MM isn't fair: Maybe you're not as great as you make yourself to be.
                  People who wants surrender: It exists, but I'm not teaching you how to do it.

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                  • Seriously Icfrog. Please remove eye of skadi's cold attack. It is fucking useless and takes up an orb effect slot. I would love to get 25 all stats, 250 hp and 250 mana on phantom lancer PLUS diffusal feedback. Cold attack is bullfuck.

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                    • Originally posted by Solo_King View Post
                      Seriously Icfrog. Please remove eye of skadi's cold attack. It is fucking useless and takes up an orb effect slot. I would love to get 25 all stats, 250 hp and 250 mana on phantom lancer PLUS diffusal feedback. Cold attack is bullfuck.
                      >Get Diffusal first
                      >Get Skadi
                      (In case you upgrade Diffusal after Skadi, drop and pick up Skadi)
                      >???
                      >PROPHET
                      Every time someone make a false report.
                      Making people's losses feel worse with just my name (don't ask me how it work, I certainly don't)

                      Currently observed Orb(Unique Attack Modifiers), Critical, and Bash interactions for DotA2

                      To:
                      People who cry MM isn't fair: Maybe you're not as great as you make yourself to be.
                      People who wants surrender: It exists, but I'm not teaching you how to do it.

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                      • After the recent patch mkb no loger hits the towers.

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                        • I say a huge NO to this thread.
                          If the original post included how things were on DotA on a seperate column, I would make my NOes more specific.

                          But I think the whole original post only includes the discrepancies anyway... So I just say NO to all.

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                          • This is a reference list, not a bug or parity list.
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                            • Wow, I had no idea Bash was different in D2...
                              "Multiple bashes add the damage bonus together, regardless of melee or range.
                              Bashes add to your damage, and thus you can lifesteal from them."

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                              • when having MoM and satanic on the same hero, in order to have the 25% lifeleech from satanic I have to drop both and pick up satanic first, right?

                                and using the active abilities of both items doesnt change this (aside from the short duration of 175% lifeleech gain ofc), right?

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