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  • Lion (And possibly Nyx) Hitbox

    Summary: The Lion (and possibly Nyx, though I haven't witnessed this yet) hit boxes compared to their respective "animation" as seen in the game is much larger than you would expect. Many a time I've been impaled by Lion and been at what I felt was a safe distance away (none of the "rocks/spikes" hit my hero) however the stun still proc'd and a spike shoots out of nowhere. I've had a friend (I watched replay) where he was not even in the same line as the impale, it shot off to the side a good 50-100 units or so where he should have been in the clear.

    Repro: Get a lion, stand off to the side a bit, and hope he can aim close enough this happens.

    Expected: Stun will not proc.

    Result: Stun procs.

    (my) Solution: Either increase the size of the animation so I don't feel cheesed when it obviously missed, or reduce the hitbox of lion's impale.

  • #2
    it works fine + lion is already weak as a hero if he gets nerfed on impales range or radius he will be even worse

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Vaikiss View Post
      it works fine + lion is already weak as a hero if he gets nerfed on impales range or radius he will be even worse
      Lions not weak, he's very useful against mana dependant heroes when nyx/invoker is banned. Also it won't be a nerf/buff at all because it'll just be fixed to what it should be (if theres a problem with it at all). I have not noticed OP's problem in game though.

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      • #4
        I'm not asking for a nerf, just that the "animation size" ie: what we see, is increased. Because I hate when it looks pretty clear he has missed, but it still hits you. At least make it larger so I don't feel cheesed.

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        • #5
          Lion is okay as it is and it has always been like that. No need of change imo.

          Edit: I agree on increasing the animation size.

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          • #6
            Here is an example. It's not the greatest one but I can't find the other matches where it has been worse.

            Match ID: 108462557

            Mid Lane, Lion & PL, 17 minutes and ~20 seconds.

            Second example, slightly better...

            Match ID: 108036361

            Bottom Lane, Troll Warlord & Lion, 23 minutes and ~20 seconds.

            Here I was CLEARLY out of the LINE as well as out of range (as far as is displayed on the animations) and yet the spike stun still proc'd.

            I really don't care about nerfs, but I would love it if the animation size was increased. It makes you feel like shit when you think you just did a pro juke for half a second just to see the spike proc anyway.
            Last edited by Marlan; 01-26-2013, 03:29 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by frankles View Post
              Lions not weak, he's very useful against mana dependant heroes when nyx/invoker is banned. Also it won't be a nerf/buff at all because it'll just be fixed to what it should be (if theres a problem with it at all). I have not noticed OP's problem in game though.
              is that why it never gets picked ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Vaikiss View Post
                is that why it never gets picked ?
                You should watch how well lion can be played here
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O249T7S-eZE

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by frankles View Post
                  You should watch how well lion can be played here
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O249T7S-eZE
                  oh some tier 2 americans team vs tier 3 european team

                  shiet must be finals of international

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vaikiss View Post
                    oh some tier 2 americans team vs tier 3 european team

                    shiet must be finals of international
                    Oh so you define a heroes strength based on the meta game of the international only? If you dont remember nyx was weaker in ti2 but was still picked in the final game of ti2. If you want to follow whatever those top tier teams do while ignoring anyone else then you won't make it very far. Seriously do you even have an original thought of your own? But good luck to you in the internationals because you're clearly pro

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frankles View Post
                      Oh so you define a heroes strength based on the meta game of the international only? If you dont remember nyx was weaker in ti2 but was still picked in the final game of ti2. If you want to follow whatever those top tier teams do while ignoring anyone else then you won't make it very far. Seriously do you even have an original thought of your own? But good luck to you in the internationals because you're clearly pro
                      no this game was before magnus got nerfed

                      invoker got skewered into tower at level one by invisible magnus with 1200 range skewer and gave lion advantage since first minute on normal matchup lion would be a free kill for invoker and basicly useless support hero that runs around with higer than normal level

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Vaikiss View Post
                        no this game was before magnus got nerfed

                        invoker got skewered into tower at level one by invisible magnus with 1200 range skewer and gave lion advantage since first minute on normal matchup lion would be a free kill for invoker and basicly useless support hero that runs around with higer than normal level
                        I like how you totally ignored all my other statements and just brought up the first blood from that game. Since you follow the meta of ti2 so closely you would think invoker is still a good enough hero to beat a weak insignificant lion thats actually playing as a 3rd. Lion is just not viable in the current meta now because of how common nyx is but is still a good pick against brewmasters when your other mana burners are banned. If you rule out heroes and call them weak just because they aren't strong against the common picks of the current meta then thats up to you. You may or may not realise it when you could of had a counter against heroes but you just decide not to pick them because you just follow the pros.

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                        • #13
                          Just to add, when I play with Nyx I also get surprised sometimes that someone is being shot up in the air while I didn't visually see them being knocked by my stun,

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by frankles View Post
                            I like how you totally ignored all my other statements and just brought up the first blood from that game. Since you follow the meta of ti2 so closely you would think invoker is still a good enough hero to beat a weak insignificant lion thats actually playing as a 3rd. Lion is just not viable in the current meta now because of how common nyx is but is still a good pick against brewmasters when your other mana burners are banned. If you rule out heroes and call them weak just because they aren't strong against the common picks of the current meta then thats up to you. You may or may not realise it when you could of had a counter against heroes but you just decide not to pick them because you just follow the pros.
                            hero pool was smaller not that much inteligence heroes picked and nyx was with different spells afaik

                            his carapace got changed after ti2 if im not mistaken so yeah

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vaikiss View Post
                              hero pool was smaller not that much inteligence heroes picked and nyx was with different spells afaik

                              his carapace got changed after ti2 if im not mistaken so yeah
                              What the hell does that have to do with what I said? You're just proving my point. You don't care about tier 2 teams and only the international teams choices. They picked nyx when he was weaker and you think thats a good choice?

                              not much intelligence heroes?
                              Meepo: September 21
                              Magnus: October 4
                              Centaur: October 25
                              Slark: November 15
                              Timbersaw: December 13
                              Medusa
                              Troll
                              not a single intelligence hero released after but nyx is picked now.

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