PRD ruins the game.

[budwing]

At least theoretically. Imagine this situation: You are Kunkka and have Daedalus. You rely on your first hit critting and giving you huge splash damage.

The way PRD works is that your first hit has much lower probability of critting, but as the number of non crit hits increases (the PRD counter) the probability increases. This renders Kunkka daedalus build either useless or overpowered, as there are 2 possible scenarios:

1) PRD counter resets after some time or possibly after a target change. This way your first hit has much lower probability of critting.

2) PRD counter doesn't ever reset. This way you could wait until you have a lot of non crits in a row and your next attack would have a much higher probability of critting.

Either way, the game is broken.

Possible solution (without disabling PRD, assuming 1st scenario): make the first always have the probability in the item's description and the next hits as usual (low to high).

[Kryil-]

It doesn't. For sure it's an issue regarding crits like this, but on the long edge it avoids losing games due to bad luck or winning due to pure luck. Kunkka is an issue on it's own.

[Rysik]

I think PRD can be disabled on Kunkka when tidebringer is off cooldown exclusively

[RoflCat]

Funny, because those 7 years the game's been climbing until DotA2 is announced, it's been using PRD.

Also, it uses 2nd scenario, and yes it's possible to 'stack' crit chance if you're willing to go attack things and hope to NOT crit (because you know, the more you don't crit the more likely you will crit)

And unlike wc3 DotA where Phaseboot buff prevent critical strike (which could be used to stack up that crit chance safely), there's nothing in dota2 that will prevent your crit from happening (ok, except for Doom)

So yes PRD does allow Kunkka to have varied chance for that initial cleave (you might get a crit on the last blow on a creep before the engagement, or get no crit, etc etc)
At the end of the day, it's frankly not something that'd break the game.

The chance being lower doesn't means it'll never happen, it's still possible to see something like 4 crits in a row even with PRD.

[Vulpes]

Instead of adding some retarded Pseudo Random crap to avoid pure luck based wins/losses
How about we remove Randomness? Zonga zonga.
There's really no reason to have most of the randomness (Uphill misschance, Critchance - see HoN Puppet/Void, etc) other than "It has always been there"

[Crowfeather]

PRD doesn't really matter to be honest.

In a standard geometric distribution say kunkka has a X% chance to crit. Although every time he attacks he still has X% chance to crit. That actual probability that a crit will occur goes up. Its like flipping a coin. If you get 3 heads in a row you will likely get a head next.


Unless you want to do some crap like Kunkka will crit on every X attack. Then that is just making Kunkka get a huge buff. Really this is a balance issue / remake issue. Go dicuss it on Playdota. Randomness is fine as it is as you cannot plan to crit

[Kryil-]

PRD doesn't really matter to be honest.

In a standard geometric distribution say kunkka has a X% chance to crit. Although every time he attacks he still has X% chance to crit. That actual probability that a crit will occur goes up. Its like flipping a coin. If you get 3 heads in a row you will likely get a head next.


Unless you want to do some crap like Kunkka will crit on every X attack. Then that is just making Kunkka get a huge buff. Really this is a balance issue / remake issue. Go dicuss it on Playdota. Randomness is fine as it is as you cannot plan to crit

That was not what he said. PRD is ment to balance out crit/bash on the LONG edge. Meaning, out of all crits, there will be reduced crit-rows/non-crit-rows.
Kunkka doesn't care about crit rows. Most of the Kunkkas need their crit on the first hit: when having shadowblade up (although it doesn't crit, but for the burst) and having tidebringer up. The initial burst from a Kunkka with PRD enabled is WAY lower then without, as on average the initial crits are way unusual.

However, PRD is even in Dota 2 for some time and I've never had the problem of Kunkka getting weak :x

[blash365]

so because you like to play a hero who practically goes all-in in every fight he joins because he needs all stars to align (enemies being positioned nearby, low armor enemy in the front, he has to hit most of them with torrent and ghost ship, he has to get nearby with lothars without being detected and stunned aaaand he has to crit....) you want to remove prd, a feature which makes all heroes and items that use chance to add an effect more predictable for the player. maybe you should reconsider your trail of thought...

Its like flipping a coin. If you get 3 heads in a row you will likely get a head next.

funny coin, you got there.

[Eric37073]

...it's just the same as dota1... not worth discussing here

[Kolaris]

An exception needs to be made for Kunkka

so because you like to play a hero who practically goes all-in in every fight he joins because he needs all stars to align (enemies being positioned nearby, low armor enemy in the front, he has to hit most of them with torrent and ghost ship, he has to get nearby with lothars without being detected and stunned aaaand he has to crit....)

Sigh, that isn't how that works...a complete myth.

[Chairraider]

1. This certainly isn't a bug.
2. Mimics DotA 1 behaviour.
3. A topic better suited for playdota.com
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