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Death Prophet Ultimate and Vanguard

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  • Death Prophet Ultimate and Vanguard

    Vanguard not blocking death prophet's spirits damage ? I thought maybe it would be a counter to the 45 damage dealing spirits as it block 40 damage 70% of the time, though when I tried to test it it only gave a tanky hero like cent 4-5 more seconds of life with a vanguard against a full death prophet ult, the increased hp seeming to be the only factor. Though it does not show the -40 damage at all, considering how many spirits there are it might be unreasonable, though I would have thought it would give more than a measly 4 seconds consider it should block 40/45 damage (plus any armour reduction) 70% of the time, we can roughly say it should block 70% of death prophet's damage.

  • #2
    Vanguard doesn't block Krobelus's spirit damage. The spirit spell is based off of Locust swarm. These locusts/spirits do not attack units all they act kind of like pseudo units. Thus Vanguard does not block damage at all. Block is only for attacking block damage

    If you want a guide on damage block here it is http://www.dotastrategy.com/library-...hoenixdss.html

    really though Vanguard is a crappy item if you are buying it for the damage block. I think really it should get completely reworked, for the same price you can have 30% magic resist + more regen. Damage block is only could early game. Vanguard would be a fine item if you could disassemble it. Otherwise that ROH and Vitality is just wasted. You may as well make a PMS and hold the vitallity and Roh seperatly for later items like BF or Linken Or HOT
    Last edited by Crowfeather; 04-14-2013, 02:40 PM.
    Originally posted by Typhox
    Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
    Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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    • #3
      Well the ultimate is described as physical damage.

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      • #4
        The ultimate does damage through Locust the pseudo units have the ability Locust. This will not be blocked by Vanguard. Vanguard is based of harden skin.
        Vanguard to block damage requires an attack instance or target instance. Locust does not have this, nor do spells like phoenix fire.

        If radiance turned into a physical damage even then Vanguard would not block the damage.


        If you still want further clarification or information on block spells go ask here http://www.playdota.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=52 or search forum for answer :L


        http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96250 for the damage block article in playdota mech forum
        Last edited by Crowfeather; 04-14-2013, 02:52 PM.
        Originally posted by Typhox
        Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
        Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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        • #5
          Yah seems the only thing that would make vanguard useful would be to counter death prophet otherwise it is a pretty useless item. Thanks for the links.

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          • #6
            http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349756

            Lol. Well last I can tell it does get reduced [except kraken shell]. Also I would use google and search site: playdota.com/forums [WHAT YOU WANT TO SEARCH FOR]

            since the playdota search function is notoriously bad.
            Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Wyn-Ryder View Post
              http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349756

              Lol. Well last I can tell it does get reduced [except kraken shell]. Also I would use google and search site: playdota.com/forums [WHAT YOU WANT TO SEARCH FOR]

              since the playdota search function is notoriously bad.
              I don't believe. I go test it -->

              Just tested no Vanguard does not block damage. On a maxed out centaur with 4 vanguards and 2 reavers it gave damage of 25 per locust
              Without Vanguard is also averaged at 25 dmg per locust

              Further testing --> Kraken shell does not block either.

              Damage from Krob ulti though is reduced by armour. 13 armour gives 43% reduction hence why its 25 dmg not full 48
              Last edited by Crowfeather; 04-14-2013, 05:12 PM.
              Originally posted by Typhox
              Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
              Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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              • #8
                Well later searches on this provided opposing information, which is probably more correct. I did just look at the first 2 links :P Anyway, it probably got changed somewhere along the lines, but I can't find the change in changelogs at all
                Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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                • #9
                  It never got changed, since block was always based of hardened skin which is hardcoded to not affect locust. I think those on that thread were just misinformed.
                  Originally posted by Typhox
                  Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
                  Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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                  • #10
                    Just to distribute some good knowledge: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showt...=2#post1396609 found through there: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1810595

                    In DotA v6.68 and v6.69 the "Stout Shield Damage Block PMS" (A1DI) ability has the invulnerable and vulnerable flags for its targets
                    These flags are not there on v6.67 and v6.70

                    Please kindly just do not argue over this

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                    • #11
                      Probably a side effect of when leshrac's diabolic edict got fixed or something [well actually that still wouldn't explain it]? Anyway, I guess I did remember correctly, just my memories are outdated :P
                      Comprehensive Damage Reduction & Amplifications Dota 2 Guide

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