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Fog of War and "Juke Spots"

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  • Fog of War and "Juke Spots"

    I have made a lot of posts already complaining about how bugged FOW is in Dota 2... but it seems none of them have come to fruition....
    I made today a video showing 3 "small" places where FoW works completely wrong and unpredictably. There's a LOT of bugs like this around the map and they go from this(as shown in the video) to worse, the only way to effectively break your enemy's vision its to do it horizontaly, juke spots simply doesnt exist in Dota 2. THEY SHOULD. A Juke spot its a place between the trees that prevents vision from outside, and from inside out...it's essencial for jukers as the enemy dont know where you are going when you enter them.

    Enough talk, here is the video. I'll elaborate more trough the comments to explain more my point of view.

    Maverick Hunter.

  • #2
    this isnt LoL grass

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    • #3
      That's how it is supposed to be.

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      • #4
        nice work man, you have just wasted precious time of your and our lives.

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        • #5
          well that was a time well wasted

          HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE MATCHMAKING? MUTE SYSTEM? THINKING EVERYBODY IS INFERIOR TO YOU?
          WE HAVE THREE EASY STEPS TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROBLEM!


          THANK YOU FOR MAKING DOTA2 A BETTER PLACE! AND REMEMBER, THERES NO GOING BACK

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          • #6
            Should i show you how it is in Dota 1 then?
            Maverick Hunter.

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            • #7
              I really think you should go back and make a video about something we care about

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              • #8
                Didn't know you worked for Valve and were in charge of Fog of War.
                Last edited by DarkSuo; 05-30-2013, 04:01 PM.
                Maverick Hunter.

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                • #9
                  show them the dota 1 behaviour shut their mouths, dont get discouraged
                  ~Never forget~

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BZAD View Post
                    show them the dota 1 behaviour shut their mouths, dont get discouraged
                    well, thanks for the support. Working on it.
                    Maverick Hunter.

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                    • #11
                      You should take a video of Dota1 and video of Dota2 at same spots then put them side by side.
                      Otherwise people will just laugh or won't understand what you are getting at. -->
                      Originally posted by Typhox
                      Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
                      Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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                      • #12
                        in an effort to lighten your pain



                        You cant replicate this in dota1 BECAUSE DOTA1 FOG IS FUCKING WORSE.
                        Can we rest this issue now?

                        also 6.78
                        Last edited by Ghostface; 05-31-2013, 01:38 AM.

                        HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE MATCHMAKING? MUTE SYSTEM? THINKING EVERYBODY IS INFERIOR TO YOU?
                        WE HAVE THREE EASY STEPS TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROBLEM!


                        THANK YOU FOR MAKING DOTA2 A BETTER PLACE! AND REMEMBER, THERES NO GOING BACK

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ghostface View Post
                          in an effort to lighten your pain



                          You cant replicate this in dota1 BECAUSE DOTA1 FOG IS FUCKING WORSE.
                          Can we rest this issue now?

                          also 6.78
                          I challenge you to take a screen shot showing the dire acient creeps while your hero stands beside the tree in the radiant side of the river in Dota 1 and i'll never post about FoW again in these forums. You can get NS at night if you want(without aghs ofc).
                          Maverick Hunter.

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                          • #14
                            But now youre just nitpicking.

                            The video you shown us is that complaining why we can see a small field when inside trees.
                            You complain that "the FoW works completely wrong and unpredictably" when you clearly dont even
                            know the mechanics of the new Dota2 fog. Now you just go to some crappy claims about
                            "i shouldnt see the ancients on the radiant side".

                            Were talking about juke spots here because that was the whole point of the video you posted.
                            Dont go into some saving grace argument "but, the ancients, i can see them".

                            how is ancient vision related when you say "it's essencial for jukers as the enemy dont know where you are going when you enter them. "

                            You cant see the ancients in dota1 because the vision cells are clunky in dota1 while
                            dota2 has a more precise fog of war mechanic.

                            I mean, look at this juke spot on the hard camp near the rune
                            Does that look like a predictable fog of war mechanic to you?



                            Dota2's fog is as simple as
                            "if i can see the entrance of the hallway i went into, they can see me too"
                            Last edited by Ghostface; 05-31-2013, 05:43 AM.

                            HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE MATCHMAKING? MUTE SYSTEM? THINKING EVERYBODY IS INFERIOR TO YOU?
                            WE HAVE THREE EASY STEPS TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROBLEM!


                            THANK YOU FOR MAKING DOTA2 A BETTER PLACE! AND REMEMBER, THERES NO GOING BACK

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                            • #15
                              your whole point of not being able to juke properly in dota2 is flawed. I've juked plenty of people, no mater their skill level. I've seen plenty of pros juking other pros and we don't need outdated FoW mechanics to do that. You were wondering why you were "The only one to realize that"? People just accepted the Dota2 FoW because it is far more intuitive and just overall better.
                              The world is black and white. On one side there are those who are right, complain about valve, spam unhelpfully and everyone who disapprove what you are doing are obviously valveknights.

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