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  • #76
    Originally posted by Vi3trice View Post
    Are you saying you're thinking for all of us?
    Hm. Let me rephrase, then. When you buy cosmetics, do you expect for them to be seen by you only?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by DarkLite View Post
      On a related note: I asked earlier if anyone had examples of someone being confused more than once by the minimap icon (once doesn't count, since you'd get that with a new hero anyway). Does anyone have an example of this?
      You seem to think that would make any difference. You also seem to think you could disprove this is someone said it. I could make the same argument that it does make a difference if you said it didn't. It's a null factor in this argument.

      Changing something just because of an item that someone happens to have is more likely to confuse people. That's on objective fact. If you painted your car a different colour I'm pretty sure everyone who is used to your car would be confused, and then be even more confused when you paint it back to the original colour.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by T-major View Post
        You seem to think that would make any difference. You also seem to think you could disprove this is someone said it. I could make the same argument that it does make a difference if you said it didn't. It's a null factor in this argument.

        Changing something just because of an item that someone happens to have is more likely to confuse people. That's on objective fact. If you painted your car a different colour I'm pretty sure everyone who is used to your car would be confused, and then be even more confused when you paint it back to the original colour.
        I don't quite get your point? Several people are claiming it should be removed because it will cause confusion; I'm trying to find out whether it's actually caused any more confusion than the minimap icon of a new hero, which is a similar situation.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Bleako View Post
          You know I'm just trying to help here, but... you do understand that you are actually making a huge fuss about a 64x64 image on the minimap right? We're not talking about the cosmetics being client-side only here... we're talking about a minimap icon.

          You also must understand that no one has seen the "new minimap icon" as a reason to buy the set. People do it for the prestige/the new hair/the new spell animations.

          I mean... you do legitimately think that they are scamming you with a minimap icon?
          Yes, I feel scammed because they removed it.
          Just to put you in situation, I sent 200 postal mails Sony's HQ when they removed the OtherOS feature from the PS3.

          Originally posted by Cecrit View Post
          And it never said it is server side. So nothing of the things they told you to get have changed. You still get all it says. Done.
          I already told you, this is the same as WarZ when they removed it from the Store.
          The description never said those features were already implemented but they removed the game from the store, even if those features were on the development roadmap.

          It is exactly the same, they are selling an article whose description does not represent the real item.

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          • #80
            You can see it, and that's what matters, right?

            The reason for the change is obvious. Any player who didn't recognize it immediately would be confused. Better to just let them see the regular Lina icon and remove all possibility of ambiguity.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by posnisir View Post
              Hm. Let me rephrase, then. When you buy cosmetics, do you expect for them to be seen by you only?
              If they're cosmetics, yeah. That's basically the bare minimum. I do remember some cases, but that was a long time ago.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by aftokinito View Post
                It does not mind the reason you have to buy it, you paid the full price for it and you should get whatever you paid for.
                I'm of course going to ask for a refund if they make it a permanent change but my objective here is making them revert the change so I'm not forced to do so.

                The item is cool but I'm not going to allow valve to scam me.



                Then should we be fine if Valve decides that ALL the other comsetic items will be clientsided too?
                You are also forced to see the normal sets so your point is totally absurd.
                No, because item sets do not change any hero to an unrecognizable form, while a minimap icon change is way harder to see, and it can resemble another icon. This is what can be confusing to players. And my point is absurd? Says the guy who apperantly buys items just to show off to other people. Again, you buy things for yourself, not for others. If you just buy items to show off how much money you can put in the game then you are very, very pathetic.

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                • #83
                  First step towards a -show_cosmetic_items 0 command

                  I can't wait

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by T-major View Post
                    You seem to think that would make any difference. You also seem to think you could disprove this is someone said it. I could make the same argument that it does make a difference if you said it didn't. It's a null factor in this argument.

                    Changing something just because of an item that someone happens to have is more likely to confuse people. That's on objective fact. If you painted your car a different colour I'm pretty sure everyone who is used to your car would be confused, and then be even more confused when you paint it back to the original colour.
                    Yet you have to deal with them changing their car for a 4x4.
                    Your point is null because I also have to deal with that ugly Rubick set that changes his look completly yet I'm not crying or whining because of it.

                    Originally posted by 0nn0val View Post
                    No, because item sets do not change any hero to an unrecognizable form, while a minimap icon change is way harder to see, and it can resemble another icon. This is what can be confusing to players. And my point is absurd? Says the guy who apperantly buys items just to show off to other people. Again, you buy things for yourself, not for others. If you just buy items to show off how much money you can put in the game then you are very, very pathetic.
                    The reasons I bought the item for are irrelevant and not of your competence.
                    I had the money, I bought it, I expect to get what I bought. As easy as that.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by posnisir View Post
                      Hm. Let me rephrase, then. When you buy cosmetics, do you expect for them to be seen by you only?
                      But the cosmetics are seen by everyone, all of them, including the Arcana item. The only thing that doesn't change for us is the minimap icon.

                      OP is just trying to scam Valve by making us believe he's been scammed. Stop whining, start asking for a refund right now if you want but don't expect to gather a witch hunt party over a fucking minimap icon.

                      I can guarantee, and you can mark my words on this, that OP will complain as soon as Valve updates the textures of any cosmetics that he purchased during the beta simply because he doesn't understand the concept of a beta game. It's ever-changing, it's always getting updated and this is not just to be expected, it's actually the entire purpose of a beta.
                      Last edited by Bleako; 03-13-2013, 04:15 PM.

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                      • #86
                        Look, look with your special eyes.
                        MY BRAND!
                        This ain't ova.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by aftokinito View Post
                          I had the money, I bought it, I expect to get what I bought. As easy as that.
                          And you did!

                          This item includes custom upgrades to these features:

                          Dragon Slave's spell and sound effects
                          In-game portrait
                          Hero icon
                          Spell icons for Dragon Slave and Fiery Soul
                          Minimap hero icon
                          You still have all of those. Nowhere does it say you're purchasing the same for other people's games.

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                          • #88
                            And next upper side icon remove...Ty valve.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Kolaris View Post
                              And you did!



                              You still have all of those. Nowhere does it say you're purchasing the same for other people's games.
                              Then let's let valve make all the cosmetics clientsided and lets let them put everything they want on the steam store even if the description has nothing to do with the game.
                              Last edited by aftokinito; 03-13-2013, 04:15 PM.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Bleako View Post
                                You know I'm just trying to help here, but... you do understand that you are actually making a huge fuss about a 64x64 image on the minimap right? We're not talking about the cosmetics being client-side only here... we're talking about a minimap icon.
                                It does not matter what it is Bleako. Valve had put that item on the store. Suggested a price for the whole set, which included that asset in it.
                                Whether the customer bought it for personal pleasure, or to show-off, doesn't matter here. Damn, he might have even bought the whole set just for that, just to have her enemies slightly confused with slightly modified minimap icon down there... But it doesn't matter, he bought this product, it was offering this functionality to him as he paid that $35, and Valve cannot legitametly withdraw it, even if you or whole community thinks that it is unimportant.

                                That guy there thought it was valuable, bought it, paid for that icon, that you and I describe as "shitty, puny, 64x64, redundant". It is his own opinion that that item worthed it with those functions.


                                I, myself, haven't bought any ANY cosmetics. I am not being affected from this unjust change negatively by any means. But I can see that it is wrong, just wrong.
                                As I have seen from Typhox, too, a refund option should be offered for the customers that have bought this item prior to this change. Saying "Deal with it!" is not appropriate for a company, but Valve can offer this and say:

                                "Sorry, we had to make this change. Here, have your refund, if you do not want to have this item anymore after this change."


                                Actually, maybe they will... I just hope they will do this tomorrow on the main client release, or it will be just wrong.
                                And if they do such a change, I hope it turns out to be a hype, and happens for every single cosmetics in the game... Offering a refund for purchased cosmetics, and restricting them to be client-sided. On the bright side for cosmetics lovers, they may change the looks of every hero on game according to their likes, not just the hero they control. Client may replicate the items that were set on the Store > Loadout for every hero on the map...
                                Dream on...

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