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  • A change needed.

    I do not usually make posts on a forum, specially in regards to the fact that the devs never answer/respond in any way shape or form... but the formatting and mechanics of the 'punishment' systems are so poorly thought out I cannot refrain.

    I've been pushed into a low priority pool, with well over 2000 games player, because I was hit by a brownout in my city. It happens, I was without electricity for 2 hours. I log back in, and wham, low priority.

    In a sense, this automated system isn't working. There is no justice in any shape or form for players. Those who should be punished are not, those who are innocent by definition are punished.

    When will we see an actually moderated system? White lists and black lists with self reporting tools existed in DOTA1 @ incredibly high levels of success.
    Is Valve seriously disregarding this? Or are they so infatuated with the $$$ that they simply do not care?

  • #2
    Silverferret88, thank you for taking time out of your clearly busy day to give Valve very important feedback on the Dota 2 forums. (jk)

    In 2000 games, you get low priority apparently only once, and you say that's too many times.
    ^
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
      are they so infatuated with the $$$ that they simply do not care?

      Originally posted by CvP
      Get better at dota.
      A matchmaking system that emulates five-player parties based on teamplay-oriented recommendations---> http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=97602

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Snarfindorf View Post
        Silverferret88, thank you for taking time out of your clearly busy day to give Valve very important feedback on the Dota 2 forums. (jk)

        In 2000 games, you get low priority apparently only once, and you say that's too many times.
        ^
        /thread

        Thanks for the response! Only problem is I've never said it was the one and only time, nor did I say it was too many times. Whoops! You forgot how to read!

        I was speaking specifically about this instance, as I've only ever referenced THIS instance.

        Thanks again! Now kindly sit down and shut up.

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        • #5
          First of all, put it all in perspective: Yes, it sucks your city had a power outtage. But what it meant for everyone else is that your unstable internet/power meant multiple games have been ruined for everyone else participating. You didn't do it on purpose, but there is no asterix on the loss that everyone who was on your team received. They all took a loss.

          Also, you don't get put in LPQ for just 1 abandon. You've had multiple abandons in a relatively shot period of time. So be honest about that too. If your city is having repeated brownouts such that you don't know if you can reliably play a 20-50 minute match without having to worry about a possible disconnect and abandon, you're not in a position to play Dota right now. Take a Dota vacation. Play TF2 or something. Wait until things in your area stabilize, or play when the brownouts are the least likely to happen. Remember, there are 9 other people, 4 of whom get fucked every time you abandon. Valve is looking out for the 4 who are getting screwed by your bad power/internet.

          Personally, when I'm on a questionable internet connection or when the weather is bad here in south Florida, I simply don't play. I spectate matches or practice with Bots. But I don't take the risk of a potential abandon and ruining a game for 9 (4) others because of a power outtage or iffy connection. Consider doing the same.
          Last edited by Dreams-Visions; 07-16-2013, 01:11 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
            Thanks for the response! Only problem is I've never said it was the one and only time, nor did I say it was too many times. Whoops! You forgot how to read!

            I was speaking specifically about this instance, as I've only ever referenced THIS instance.

            Thanks again! Now kindly sit down and shut up.
            Maybe Valve should phone your city up and tell them to reroute power to your PC for Dota time, because you are a unique and beautiful snowflake who deserves Valve's attention

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            • #7
              No, Valve isn't looking for anyone besides Valve. That is the true issue. If this system actually took into effect what was actually happening, then I wouldn't be in low priority now would I?

              The problem is not the reports, not the automatic reporting (abandon game timer) the system uses. Its how those reports are read, and then used. As of right now, there is no moderation. Its simply a ticker, get X amount of reports/abandons/etc in Y amount of time, serve Z time in punishment.

              There needs to be some form of human moderation between XY and then Z. Its simple, and being completely overlooked and ignored.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
                No, Valve isn't looking for anyone besides Valve. That is the true issue. If this system actually took into effect what was actually happening, then I wouldn't be in low priority now would I?

                The problem is not the reports, not the automatic reporting (abandon game timer) the system uses. Its how those reports are read, and then used. As of right now, there is no moderation. Its simply a ticker, get X amount of reports/abandons/etc in Y amount of time, serve Z time in punishment.

                There needs to be some form of human moderation between XY and then Z. Its simple, and being completely overlooked and ignored.
                Are we ignoring the fact that Dota 2 has over 350,000 consecutive players at peak times or are you just being entitled for attention?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
                  No, Valve isn't looking for anyone besides Valve. That is the true issue. If this system actually took into effect what was actually happening, then I wouldn't be in low priority now would I?
                  How is Valve supposed to know your city lost power?

                  From Valve's perspective, you're ruining games for other players repeatedly by playing on an unreliable connection, whether it's your fault or not. You have yet to address how many abandons you've received recently. Also, you're not being put in LPQ for REPORTS (unless you're abusing abilities or intentionally feeding). You're being put in LPQ for ABANDONS. Reports generally get you muted. Abandons get you in LPQ.

                  Again, if you don't want to be put in LPQ, play when power is most reliable in your area or when the power situation stabilizes. Otherwise, you run the risk of ruining games for others with your abandons, as you have apparently done more than once recently. Why do you think you ought to be afforded special status for repeatedly abandoning games and causing losses for others? To Valve your power going out is no different than someone simply turning the game off. If that were suddenly "okay" (such that the game wouldn't count), how many people would abuse that? Losing a game? Simply pull out the internet cord and get no loss.
                  Last edited by Dreams-Visions; 07-16-2013, 01:23 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Oh you poor thing.... I agree with you on the fact that the automated system needs to be removed. However it was your city's fault for the "brownout" you shouldn't be complaining at Valve, you should be complaining at your city.
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                    • #11
                      You don't get LPQ for one isolated offense. The issue has to be relatively consistent and verifiable for the system to say "well, this guy has been ruining multiple people's matches by leaving and it doesn't look like it's improving, might as well put him with other people with the same behavior".
                      Last edited by Bleako; 07-16-2013, 01:38 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I love how all of you are simply clinging to Valves jock strap, hanging on every word I wrote, yet not accepting the context as "insert story here" and "what the system should truly represent/be"

                        Yes, I've had low priority before. Maybe 4, at most 5 times in 2000 games. Not bad. My last abandoned game via my profile was well over 200+ games ago. So that harbors me on reports. (I'm not going to rant about the actual reporting system, seeing how there's at least a billion threads about exploiting it)

                        Which rounds me back to the point of the topic. The punishment system needs not be entirely changed, but have an actual moderation point introduced. Its quite simple, add a human component to the fact, review the recorded information, process judgement on topic. Is it really that hard to implement?

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                        • #13
                          What do you mean by "not bad"? The majority of players have never gone to LPQ and it's fair to assume that everyone has had connection issues in the past. Having gone to LPQ 5 times is a lot.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
                            Which rounds me back to the point of the topic. The punishment system needs not be entirely changed, but have an actual moderation point introduced. Its quite simple, add a human component to the fact, review the recorded information, process judgement on topic. Is it really that hard to implement?
                            Giving the unprecedented amount of manpower Valve would need to review reports from 300,000 concurrent players and much more players for years to come, yes, it's really hard to implement.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Silverferret88 View Post
                              I love how all of you are simply clinging to Valves jock strap, hanging on every word I wrote, yet not accepting the context as "insert story here" and "what the system should truly represent/be"

                              Yes, I've had low priority before. Maybe 4, at most 5 times in 2000 games. Not bad. My last abandoned game via my profile was well over 200+ games ago. So that harbors me on reports. (I'm not going to rant about the actual reporting system, seeing how there's at least a billion threads about exploiting it)

                              Which rounds me back to the point of the topic. The punishment system needs not be entirely changed, but have an actual moderation point introduced. Its quite simple, add a human component to the fact, review the recorded information, process judgement on topic. Is it really that hard to implement?
                              3 Million players a month
                              Average of one moderator per let's say 100 players, from a statistical perspective
                              Do you want to tell Valve to hire 30,000 people to sift through the kind of shit Dota players say every day, or shall I?

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