Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules

  • No flaming or derogatory remarks, directly or through insinuation.
  • No discussion, sharing or referencing illegal software such as hacks, keygen, cracks and pirated software.
  • No offensive contents, including but not limited to, racism, gore or pornography.
  • No excessive spam/meme, i.e. copious one liners in a short period of time, typing with all caps or posting meme responses (text/image).
  • No trolling, including but not limited to, flame incitation, user provocation or false information distribution.
  • No link spamming or signature advertisements for content not specific to Dota 2.
  • No Dota 2 key requests, sell, trade etc.
  • You may not create multiple accounts for any purpose, including ban evasion, unless expressly permitted by a moderator.

  • Please search before posting. One thread per issue. Do not create another thread if there is an existing one already.
  • Before posting anything, make sure you check out all sticky threads (e.g., this). Do not create new threads about closed ones.
  • It is extremely important that you post in correct forum section.

  • Balance discussion only in Misc.
  • All art related (such as hero model) feedbacks go to Art Feedback Forum.
  • All matchmaking feedback should go here: Matchmaking Feedback
  • All report/low priority issues should go here: Commend/Report/Ban Feedback
  • No specific workshop item feedback. These should go to workshop page of that item.
  • When posting in non-bugs section (such as this), use [Bugs], [Discussion] or [Suggestion] prefix in your thread name.



In case you object some action by a moderator, please contact him directly through PM and explain your concerns politely. If you are still unable to resolve the issue, contact an administrator. Do not drag these issues in public.



All rules are meant to augment common sense, please use them when not conflicted with aforementioned policies.
See more
See less

[Suggestion] show players they might get a bad match when search range gets big

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • [Suggestion] show players they might get a bad match when search range gets big

    Everyone is bitching and moaning about MM and not suggesting how to fix it
    i suggest giving the player some visual warning, whether it's some text or the bar turns red, that they might be put into a bad match... i posted this in another thread but i'm sure it'll get lost in all the threads qqing about MM so here it is again



    assuming there is such a thing as MMR, or match-making rating
    a perfect game:

    a team of "x" rated players, let's say x= 1000

    radiant MMR = 5000
    dire MMR = 5000

    but unfortunately there aren't always 10 people who are the same skill level queuing at the same time
    so as search range increases, the algorithm becomes more lenient

    less ideal:
    radiant: 1000 1000 700 700 1600 = 5000
    dire: 1000 1000 700 700 1600 = 5000

    so there is a skill disparity on your team, but it exists on both teams

    now when people usually complain about rehabs and shit-for-brains are when the search goes on for even longer, and you get something like this

    radiant: 2000 (the supposed OMGIMSOGOOD,WHYDOESVOLVOPAIRMEWITHTRASH) 500 500 500 500 = 5000
    dire: 1300 1200 1000 1000 500 = 5000

    see the problem is that there is no one online who valve can match you with to make a good game, so it does the best it can
    there is no "fixing" this, on valve's end at least.

    the solutions:
    1. more people need to play this game, and be at, or close to your skill
    2. you need to get worse

    please excuse my bad english - it's my first language
    Last edited by hsdvo; 07-18-2013, 12:09 PM.
    FIX TEAM MATCHMAKING

  • #2
    I like it... I've noticed the search bar is completely full at all times when I queue...
    So I manually cancel at 3-4 min which usually results in good games.

    So i think just a working search range bar. :P
    つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

    Comment


    • #3
      a lot of people getting stomped by better players or stuck with far worse players might be search bar.
      personally full search bar almost always results in 'chaos dota' where nothing makes sense anymore and everything works whether or not it would normally be a viable tactic.

      this probably wont be done though because if everyone stops the queue knowing this then it makes it much harder to find a queue.
      in general this should get better as more people come to dota, except perhaps at the far top and bottom of the player base.
      -----------------------------------

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Meiun View Post
        a lot of people getting stomped by better players or stuck with far worse players might be search bar.
        personally full search bar almost always results in 'chaos dota' where nothing makes sense anymore and everything works whether or not it would normally be a viable tactic.

        this probably wont be done though because if everyone stops the queue knowing this then it makes it much harder to find a queue.
        in general this should get better as more people come to dota, except perhaps at the far top and bottom of the player base.
        i just feel like people should be more aware and stop blaming valve for a bad MM system
        FIX TEAM MATCHMAKING

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by hsdvo View Post
          i just feel like people should be more aware and stop blaming valve for a bad MM system
          This games mm system is the absolute worst compared to other similar games, so no. Ppl are in full rights to blame valve for this.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by azrael109 View Post
            This games mm system is the absolute worst compared to other similar games, so no. Ppl are in full rights to blame valve for this.
            Semi. People cry in LoL and HoN too about MM: the problem in Dota 2 is that even small mistakes can cause the entire game to be over, causing people to rant faster.
            In addition, MM needs improvement.
            If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

            Comment


            • #7
              I think this should be stickied this was my problem i thought i was in elo hell for a bit, truth is, at least to me, valve's mm is one of the best mm (if you've ever played halo 3, its comparable) AND it has a working search range bar that people should pay attention to. REally greatful for this, thanks

              Comment


              • #8
                +1
                Originally posted by Kryil-
                Shut up Shmendrich. Seriously...

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by hsdvo View Post
                  radiant: 2000 (the supposed OMGIMSOGOOD,WHYDOESVOLVOPAIRMEWITHTRASH) 500 500 500 500 = 5000
                  dire: 1300 1200 1000 1000 500 = 5000[/SIZE]
                  in this example radiant is 4000 in fact, if you cant count. Also your example makes no sense to start with. Why would valve rate ppl with 500-1000 and add the 5 numbers together in order to achieve rmm 5000? thats sheer retarded. The only thing that makes sense, if you are aiming at MMR5000 is when you take an average number, something like 4800, 5200, 4900, 5100 which averages in 5000 rmm.

                  second- your theory is nonsense, since some of the worst matches Ive ever had were insta found games, like 8 seconds after I pressed search.

                  So its absolutely sure that too short search is horrendous, and too long is bad as well. Best search time should be like 2-3 minutes.
                  Last edited by Darude-Sandstorm; 01-06-2014, 09:12 PM.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                    Semi. People cry in LoL and HoN too about MM: the problem in Dota 2 is that even small mistakes can cause the entire game to be over, causing people to rant faster.
                    In addition, MM needs improvement.
                    Except people in hon at like 1780+ were actually decent.

                    Sitting at 4400 now in dota and I get players that seem like first timers.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      when ranked was implemented, i waited 15 minutes to play in 5k elo, and i was happy, i could play chen safely with responsive teammates in US.

                      SUDDENLY, some "fix" to matchmaking for the queue times, now i would wait 3-6 minutes finding a match, and please, observe what has happened: http://dotabuff.com/players/85613181/matches . Fuckin awful teammates. As i have described many times: mid as antimages, tinkers not rushing bots, timbersaws not leveling reactive armor and dying many times in offlane...support slark... I dont know what the fuck is wrong... no matter if it is BR server or US server, i just counted like 3 decent teams in probably 20 games in these last 4 days. (and managed to win just one of those games...)

                      i have gone twice to low priority(and those are probably the only games i have won in 4 days...) because, i dont even care anymore. Ihave always tried to be so fuckin #teamspirit, sick support, buying courier and upgrading it at 3:00 exactly, sick chen and etc... and for what purpose now?!


                      I WOULD RATHER WAIT 15 MINUTES TO GET A DECENT TEAM AS I WAS EXPERIENCING WHEN RANKED WAS DEVELOPED http://dotabuff.com/players/85613181/matches?page=4 , THAN WAITING 3-5 MINUTES TO HAVE POTATO TEAMMATES.

                      This issue has only decreased my willing to play, and if im playing yet is to see where im gonna end.
                      Last edited by 2DelighT; 01-07-2014, 02:06 AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I think it should not increase search range by default but ask you this: "the search is taking more time than usual do you want to increase search range?(be advised that higher search range may result in ...) YES/NO"

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Do you guys realize you're replying to a necroed thread?

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            the solutions:
                            1. more people need to play this game, and be at, or close to your skill
                            2. you need to get worse
                            AHahahahahahahahaha, you need to get worse xD , made me laugh so hard.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Rule of thumb: always cancel the search if 2 minutes passed.

                              Btw sometimes when I search I get a game in like 10 seconds, does that mean that when I accept, I accept to play with people that have been searching for a long time?
                              Death created time to grow the things that it would kill.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X