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Match making - works better now. Read here devs!

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  • Match making - works better now. Read here devs!

    First of all I will say good job!

    Before the patch I had long stretches of games I lost when playing solo. The way It went about was like this:

    Win a couple of games -> get positive W / L, get matched with sligthly better people.

    Then once you get positive score a funny thing kept happening:

    the skill difference between your allies and you and between you and your opponent increased untill the gap was so large that you could not with any strategy win the games with the teammates you have - this way you were kept in the normal bracket for instance and having a very pooor quality game because you were better than most of the people you played with but the mechanics meant you weren't able to progress out of the normal bracket unless you got friends to stack with.

    It does not seem that the new match making system forces these losses and more often than not we don't lose terribly and don't stomp too hard. Obviously though there are still ripples from the old MM and therefor some people will have alot of losses if they are playing on a higher level than they should or alot of wins if they play on a lower level.

    I have a feeling though judging by the match making quality that this system will gradually gavitate towards really good games as well as fair match making.

    Of course stomps still occur on both sides, but they are less frequent and you dont feel like you are being artificially held back.

    Good job

    Appreciate it!

    P.s.

    Dont mind too much some of the complaints about stomps, THEY are fewer - but you will always find unlucky people or people complaining no matter what.
    As you also see alot less complains about MM is rolling in now - I would take some of the complaints with a grain of salt.

  • #2
    only noobs are happy with the new mm, beacuse they are getting better players on their team.

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    • #3
      disagree with author. new mm 5x times worse thn before. supports steal farm from carry, mid heroes with 10 wins has 0-5 at 5 minutes, dota become in anime school game online

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      • #4
        Naturally there are still hiccups but from what I'm noticing my matches are way more consistent. Used to be either stomped or stomp, very occasional even games that I enjoyed either way.

        For the last few days I've had pretty much nothing but match-ups that felt really even. It's awesome to see another person not being a negative nancy about losing games that I have a sneaking suspicion they might have been the root of.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fixmmnow View Post
          only noobs are happy with the new mm, because they are getting better players on their team.
          +1000
          Originally posted by nemo609 View Post
          disagree with author. new mm 5x times worse thn before. supports steal farm from carry, mid heroes with 10 wins has 0-5 at 5 minutes, dota become in anime school game online
          Agree with this also...There is no more balance...You win 1 game => next game you lose... you can win up to 5 games... after that you will be in a feeder team with 99.99% chance to win.

          Look at matches that took place 2 months ago... and compare it to games that are right now... You'll see that a lot more games end in 20 minutes instead of 60+ because of feeders and MOST OF ALL LEAVERS! 9/10 games have 1 leaver in the first 15 minutes of the game!
          This is how Dota2 games should look like! Game 1_Game 2_Game 3_Game 4_Game 5_Game 6

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          • #6
            Originally posted by fixmmnow View Post
            only noobs are happy with the new mm, beacuse they are getting better players on their team.
            this

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rinnegan View Post
              this
              Right of course.

              If any of you want to play a 1on1 mid only lets see if you can win :-).

              and for being a newb as i already stated I have played all brackets (also playing with pros).

              Played a game in very high bracket with artstyle for example (yeah he is retired), also for being in "normal" bracket thats what happeend on my old account, I made a smurf a couple of months ago and that one managed to stay in the higher brackets and will become my main account.

              For all the complaining about 1sidedness I really dont know what you are talking about, it was 1 sided before, not at all the same way now - which also makes sense as they decrease the skill difference in the teams instead of averaging it out.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by fixmmnow View Post
                only noobs are happy with the new mm, beacuse they are getting better players on their team.
                It's impossible for a MM system to find 10 players that are equally skilled. There has to be a "worst" player and a "best" player on each team no matter what. The thing however is that the vast majority of the community aren't at pro skill level... so if you can make mistakes, so can your teammates. People call other players "noobs" but you can't make me believe that they never make stupid mistakes themselves.

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                • #9
                  Almost all of my games are 40-10 or the likes after patch, its actually worse then before.

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                  • #10
                    My games are far more challenging lately.
                    Haven't encountered 1 sided games ever since the change.

                    There seems to be a bit more variation in skill level overall though.(my perception)

                    Oh and I stomped a smurf, that was fun.
                    “Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.”

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                    • #11
                      Well, soloQ seems slightly improved. There is no "fix" for the partyQ since you can have random players in a party that have random skill.
                      I tried soloQ for the first time since the new patch and was slightly happier. Need to test it more to get a real idea... however the MM still needs a bit of work
                      Explanations on the normal, high and very high brackets in replays: here, here & here
                      Why maphacks won't work in D2: here

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                      • #12
                        OP is a noob.

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                        • #13
                          i'm happy with the new system

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mostafa91 View Post
                            i'm happy with the new system
                            Me too, you can't imagine how glad I am to have a NP that teleports right next to your tower in my games.

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                            • #15
                              I wouldnt say better but some of the close games it gets frustrating cuz some teammates are forced to think or work hard for their wins and I can understand this leading to more frustrating games. But the skills of players i'd say varies more now IMO.

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