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I dont understand why im being matched with noobs against pros.

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  • I dont understand why im being matched with noobs against pros.

    Take this match for instance: http://dotabuff.com/matches/249338369 (im the QOP)
    it was just a feedfest from the starting buzzer. I absolutely wrecked mid while both of my sidelanes fed to the max... tried my best but just couldnt hold up against the megafat axe who had just farmed on zombie at bottom lane... i mean holy shit undying actually kept running in 1v2 against axe and omni and dropping his tombstone (against axe) and just dying instantly to spins.
    This cant be how MM is intended to work.

    games like this have been happening all week...
    http://dotabuff.com/matches/247320101 heres another example.

    the meepo was obviously trolling. he was absolutely horrible, kept dying and using some sort of macro to draw various memes on the minimap.
    I dont see why im being matched with shitfaces like this.

  • #2
    Hey m8.Everyone is complaining since the new matchmaking came out.Im guessing they just get all the info they need till they bring another update to fix this.Go like i do.Invite 4 friends and start playing for the lulz till its finally fixed
    1 Message by you on Tue, 3rd Sep 2013 2:13 am

    Great game but when dota 3 is coming out?

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    • #3
      because valve is too busy making cosmetic items

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      • #4
        He is his screen-name in both matches.
        Originally posted by fletcher
        Just to clarify, there was never any "win rate" calculation. Ever. It is true that a goal of matchmaking is to make even teams. The matchmaker also will raise your Elo and try to put you in players of equivalent skill, which indirectly tries to get the win rate to 50%. However, it has never looked at your historical win rate and put you in a game where it knew that you were expected to lose.
        Is every post on this forum about the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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        • #5
          I think OP screwed up and had his match links swapped. His second one is his QoP game.

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          • #6
            <sarcasm> Clearly, Dunning-Kruger is at work and you aren't as good as you think you are. Matchmaking is working as intended. </sarcasm>

            Seriously, though, I've had games like that too. I asked fletcher about it in one of the threads a few days ago; I hope I get a response.
            We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



            merci fenix

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Slithereen View Post
              because valve is too busy making cosmetic items
              ^Agreed. Instead of thinking one minute about a mm system that could actually work they just release random stuff and more community workshop items, cause you know - the work of others actually gets them money!
              MEH

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              • #8
                Since the change I use solo q, it takes the same time as the normal one and the matches are way better quality wise. This is my experience so far for like 20 matches in solo q.

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                • #9
                  the sad truth is valve enforces 50% win rate(if you're really good and can carry total shitters maybe you can reach 51-52%) on everyone who doesn't 5 stack so all the braindead retards don't feel bad about themselves and quit the game. It will always be like that in order to keep the cash from stupid cosmetic items flowing, so the only solution is to play pubs for fun and simply don't care about winning or losing or only play in 5 stacks.
                  Valve i hope you are bankrupt one day-this will be a sign that there is a greater justice in this world, and you will remain in history as the best item trading simulator company ever.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Warcloud View Post
                    the sad truth is valve enforces 50% win rate(if you're really good and can carry total shitters maybe you can reach 51-52%) on everyone who doesn't 5 stack so all the braindead retards don't feel bad about themselves and quit the game. It will always be like that in order to keep the cash from stupid cosmetic items flowing, so the only solution is to play pubs for fun and simply don't care about winning or losing or only play in 5 stacks.
                    Valve i hope you are bankrupt one day-this will be a sign that there is a greater justice in this world, and you will remain in history as the best item trading simulator company ever.
                    so how do all those 60% high tier pubbers and pro players who play pubs maintain their ratios over thousands of games again? each percent means a lot. 50% is the top 80th percentile.
                    if you think you're mensa status but at dota you're an idiot. you will likely never go beyond that range, but many people will. welcome to dota; you're bad, deal with it. the less you stress about it the better you'll get.

                    take responsibility for your feed instead of blaming everyone but yourself. trust me you'll see your winrate go up by leaps and bounds if you ask yourself what you could have done to carry those bads instead of blaming the bads for, what is in the end, your inability to be good enough to carry them.
                    Last edited by Meiun; 07-22-2013, 03:37 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Meiun View Post
                      so how do all those 60% high tier pubbers and pro players who play pubs maintain their ratios over thousands of games again? each percent means a lot. 50% is the top 80th percentile.
                      if you think you're mensa status but at dota you're an idiot. you will likely never go beyond that range, but many people will. welcome to dota; you're bad, deal with it. the less you stress about it the better you'll get.

                      take responsibility for your feed instead of blaming everyone but yourself. trust me you'll see your winrate go up by leaps and bounds if you ask yourself what you could have done to carry those bads instead of blaming the bads for, what is in the end, your inability to be good enough to carry them.
                      They maintain their winrates by stacking, also im in vhs top rating regularly playing with people from first pages and i know when i make a mistake, from experience im absolutely sure that personal skill matters very little when you play solo queue or 2-3 stacks, one of the teams almost always has complete retards in it (which is a great way to control win rate). Anyways thanks for the great insights,I realize that i'm not a dota god but i always play to win and matchmaking makes it impossible in 50 % of the cases and this is so fucking obvious when you see people with 10 games playing in top rating with people 1500+ games. The matchmaking system is a joke and you don't need to be a fucking genius to see the huge skill difference between the players in every single game. I'd say the matchmaking system can be successful in around 1 out of 10 games which makes it a total time waste. I have worked hard to get to where i am now, and i do not deserve to play with people who cannot lasthit , have no idea about lane control,map awareness and skill builds and are clueless about what's expected from their role because i am never ever like that and it doesnt matter if those people are in my team or in the enemy, funny thing is most often they are the ones who blame others for their own mistakes. Anyone who likes this matchmaking system is a masochist for me.
                      Last edited by Warcloud; 07-22-2013, 04:47 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Meiun View Post
                        so how do all those 60% high tier pubbers
                        http://dotabuff.com/players/34158946
                        http://dotabuff.com/players/4038533
                        http://dotabuff.com/players/86791118
                        http://dotabuff.com/players/83347409

                        Looks like they stack. A lot.

                        and pro players who play pubs maintain their ratios over thousands of games again?
                        They're professionals. If Eric Tams wants to claim that matches are determined by the best player, not the worst, I believe that in the case of one team having a professional and the other team having no professionals. I don't believe that otherwise.
                        We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



                        merci fenix

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