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Matchmaking is really,really broken ?

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  • Matchmaking is really,really broken ?

    1st i was trying to find solo que match EU west/east servers,after i accepted game and loaded properly i looked at other player profiles
    in my team i was highest level(57) with 2 x guys around 25th lvl and 2 x guys below 20th lvl,in the enemy team there were 2 x guys over 100th lvl,2 x guys with 80+ lvl and one guy with 50+ lvl,ofc my team 63-9
    How is this possible ?


    2nd i tried to find match(no solo que,just normal finder) but in this match my teammates was 2 x over 100 level,1 guy with 80 + llvl,in the enemy team highest lvl was 19

    3rd i was i party with some random people highest lvl was me 57,other guys had lvl 3,5,3,4,again we finded match normally ,loadded properly and again enemy team has now 3x 100+ lvl players,with 1 x 90+ lvl player and 1 x 60+lvl

    my question is :
    Is this normal ?

  • #2
    I agree prior to the last patch match making was fine imo, then suddenly I get paired up with beginners and we get stomped so badly like holy sht...
    My first game I get paired with a 26 win naga who doesnt get ult until level 13, my second game I get paired with a zero win void who doesnt get any regen at the start of the game..... The other team had like 700 wins 500 wins 500 wins 400 wins etc.... Dota 2 is really unplayable atm like wtf???

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    • #3
      HOLY FUCKING SHIT. do you really like REALLY think, that levels have ANYTHING to do with skill?

      dont you know that there was a time where the level system wasn't implemented and a lot of people played during that time and stopped playing for a couple months?
      dont you know that there are such things as battle point boosters?
      dont you know that some people only recently switched from dota 1 to dota 2?
      dont you know that there are tons of smurf accounts?

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      • #4
        I know wins/levels don't matter but the guys I played with were genuinely terrible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BloodSaint View Post
          I know wins/levels don't matter but the guys I played with were genuinely terrible.
          maybe they just had a bad game (every has those games sometimes). or they also might have stacked with higher people. (in this case there would be corresponding players in the opposite team that have about the same skill)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by boka2211 View Post
            my question is :
            Is this normal ?
            1° Yeah its normal, MM system seems to be like...80% random
            2° Doesnt have brackets

            Level however doesnt means much, the amount of points you get depends on 3 things:
            - Whether you won or los
            - How long was the game
            - If any player had a bonus points item

            It doesnt means skill, but for sure it means you had a lot more played games than the others, and that on its own is undeniable experience

            Regardless I do agree the Matchmaking system is worse than before (And I didnt believe that was even possible)
            Make a NON automated report system.
            I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
            Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
            The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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            • #7
              Can we have a giant red text disclaimer saying levels don't mean anything when it comes to player skills? Prefferably both here on the forum main page and in game because it's getting on my nerves seeing people bitch about how they're lvl 120 and the others are lvl 65 which means the others are so bad.

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              • #8
                guys i dunno how mm works, but i assure that from the last update it really freaks me out. Impossible people, seriously, furion with no treants at lvl 16. Bh laning with bf, something has happened cause i've never had those problem, but i assure this is fucking broken, dunno how and why, but it definitely is

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                • #9
                  In this match, the Sven on my team had 62 wins and admitted in team chat that he had never played Sven before. Luna and I had to tell him to use his third skill to get a speed boost when he was being 3v1 chased. I highly doubt that he is a DotA 1 veteran / smurf if he had never played Sven prior to that match.
                  We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



                  merci fenix

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                  • #10
                    It's not just about skill though, its about knowledge of the game. I just got out of a game with a Sven who had 83 wins when I have 800. He could last hit, and use all his abilities fine, the problem was that he didn't know what kotl's mana leak does, he didn't know if a spiritbreaker zooms off his lane he should tell the other players, and wasn't sure what was happening when Invoker meatballed him. We need matchmaking to take into account how many games as well as skill so its high skilled noobs playing against other high skilled noobs, not high skilled noobs playing against high skilled players with decent knowledge of the game. As a general rule though they should separate matchmaking those under and above 500 wins.

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                    • #11
                      Having sme issues.

                      Prior to patch I was always getting good players and having good games, like longgames 45min ++

                      Now either me or other team gets a hard noob feeder and games turn out to be a stomp one side 20min lose/win.

                      Games not fun anymore.

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                      • #12
                        i think i'll quit play for some days, this mm is completely fucked. Last game slark dont even know how to build it, he has 200 wins and me 800. Totally nosense.

                        Game is fucked up

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Phoenixclaw View Post
                          HOLY FUCKING SHIT. do you really like REALLY think, that levels have ANYTHING to do with skill?

                          dont you know that there was a time where the level system wasn't implemented and a lot of people played during that time and stopped playing for a couple months?
                          dont you know that there are such things as battle point boosters?
                          dont you know that some people only recently switched from dota 1 to dota 2?
                          dont you know that there are tons of smurf accounts?
                          I agree to all the above.. I believe jus as you do..battle points or lvls mean nothing but still i say MM is broken..if you still believe in MM..have a look at the replay
                          match id : 250412806
                          I was in dire in 4 man stack
                          637
                          1200
                          1000
                          367

                          radiant
                          20
                          10
                          22
                          36

                          i forgot for the other two players.

                          F*** the number of games...Im talkin about skill.. how the fuck i was in this Limited heroes pool match.. i had all the options selected in match making..
                          The other team was no where near our skill range of dire.. they didnt know the basics of laning, farming or other hero abilities.

                          Forget number of games, still their skill were way inferior..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Racerkid View Post
                            I agree to all the above.. I believe jus as you do..battle points or lvls mean nothing but still i say MM is broken..if you still believe in MM..have a look at the replay
                            match id : 250412806
                            I was in dire in 4 man stack
                            637
                            1200
                            1000
                            367

                            radiant
                            20
                            10
                            22
                            36

                            i forgot for the other two players.

                            F*** the number of games...Im talkin about skill.. how the fuck i was in this Limited heroes pool match.. i had all the options selected in match making..
                            The other team was no where near our skill range of dire.. they didnt know the basics of laning, farming or other hero abilities.

                            Forget number of games, still their skill were way inferior..
                            the 4 people on radiant clearly had not enough matches played to be properly ranked by the system. i assume it thought all of these guys were better than they were. a dev stated, that mm needs about 150 games (75 wins) to have an accurate estimate of ones real skill.

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                            • #15
                              I've played around 1000 games with just over 500 wins. I've never played (or have played only once) Pugna, Sand King, Lone Druid, Huskar, and many other strength heroes. If I was to try one of them, how would the matchmaker know that? I'm sure I'd be terrible, even if I can play the heroes I normally play well.
                              The stupidity never ends:
                              Originally posted by Vasilev
                              Still the MM would be considered broken, cuz you shjouldn't be "outplayed". The match should be as balanced as possible.

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