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  • #91
    This guy thinks Win rate and game count is an indicator of skill. Please just close this thread already devs
    Originally posted by Typhox
    Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
    Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by daax View Post
      50 game guy owned a stack... and u are complaining about mmr also necro with Lothar's what is the point of this thread ? If u have more wins doesn't make you a better player i had today 2 Chinese girls with 50wins in team and they owned
      I disagree. I think total matches (not just wins) is a huge indicator of skill level. Obviously, it isn't the only indicator - but it is an indicator. There are just too many heroes, and too many game mechanics to master in 50-100 games for the vast majority of players. Sure, there will be the exceptions who have 50 wins and rape face - but they are anomalies rather than the norm.

      I have about 125 games played, and I still don't know half of the heroes or what the hell they do... and I especially don't know how to counter them. I am still a complete novice, and I go out of my way to study the game. Meanwhile, people who just play it and don't study (watch videos, read guides, etc) or don't have previous Moba experience will be even further behind.

      Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
      This guy thinks Win rate and game count is an indicator of skill. Please just close this thread already devs
      It CAN be an indicator of skill, it isn't the only one. Someone with hundreds of matches will have experienced every hero at least a few times, to know how to play them and/or play against them. Someone with 50 games, doesn't have that luxury. Knowing all of the heroes and the basic mechanics is a clear indicator of skill level. It is called "Knowing the basics," and I'm sure the vast majority of players with fewer than 100 matches don't know all the basics... so they shouldn't be teamed up against people with 3, 4, 5, 10 or 20 times as many wins as they have.

      When I had about 55 wins, I was teamed against a guy with 1100 wins. I'm sorry, but that is a clear variation in skill level. I am continually teamed against players with anywhere from 5-10 times as many total games as myself. Pros will tell you the key to being good is "practice practice practice." Well, someone who has that many more games played has had a hell of alot more practice time.

      Obviously there are high-win players that aren't good, and low-win players that are good - but there must be a better balance, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining about so many one sided matches, or games with 9 players with 500 wins and one player with less than 50. Some players have talent that you can't teach, or stupidity that they're stuck with. However, just like in real sports the superstars are in a class of their own (read pros), while the average roster player simply gets there by hard work and practice.
      Last edited by Groux; 07-24-2013, 12:16 PM.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Groux View Post
        I think total matches (not just wins) is a huge indicator of skill level.
        I disagree.

        Let's say someone has few other accounts and over 5 years experience in dota1, what then?
        You're only as strong as your weakest link.
        -Thomas Reid

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        • #94
          Originally posted by soprof View Post
          I disagree.

          Let's say someone has few other accounts and over 5 years experience in dota1, what then?
          I have a feeling that is a tiny minority of the actual playerbase. Most Dota 2 players, never played Dota 1 now that it is out of beta and available to the masses. And most Dota 1 players jumped to Dota 2 while it was still in beta (so have 100+ wins), even if they kept playing Dota 1. Yes, those players will be able to kick ass, but that is a tiny percentage point of the entire new player base. If Dota 2 is going to grow, there is no way that new players will stick around if they see they are being teamed against 500+ win opponents, especially from other Mobas that have a clear tiered system.

          The only reason I've stuck around is the fact that I enjoy the challenge, but still find it frustrating. I learn a ton every day, but it will be 6-12 months of daily play to be an above average player simply because of all the various mechanics and heroes.

          Learning all of the heroes, how to counter them, and all of the various game mechanics and items only comes through games played... or practice time. Someone with 500+ wins has a hell of a lot more practice time than someone with 50.
          Last edited by Groux; 07-24-2013, 12:22 PM.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Groux View Post
            I have a feeling that is a tiny minority of the actual playerbase. Most Dota 2 players, never played Dota 1 now that it is out of beta and available to the masses. And most Dota 1 players jumped to Dota 2 while it was still in beta (so have 100+ wins), even if they kept playing Dota 1. Yes, those players will be able to kick ass, but that is a tiny percentage point of the entire new player base. If Dota 2 is going to grow, there is no way that new players will stick around if they see they are being teamed against 500+ win opponents, especially from other Mobas that have a clear tiered system.

            The only reason I've stuck around is the fact that I enjoy the challenge, but still find it frustrating. I learn a ton every day, but it will be 6-12 months of daily play to be an above average player simply because of all the various mechanics and heroes.

            Learning all of the heroes, how to counter them, and all of the various game mechanics and items only comes through games played... or practice time. Someone with 500+ wins has a hell of a lot more practice time than someone with 50.
            You won't be able detect whether a player is new or not based on number of his games. In fact, as soons as he gets matched with players with lots of games played - most likely he's not new.

            Can people freakin stop using number of games/wins as a category for mm, i'm so tired.
            You're only as strong as your weakest link.
            -Thomas Reid

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            • #96
              Hmm, guys who play 1000+ games and still suck should really consider quitting dota and not blame matchmaking.

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              • #97
                Oh man, I just love it when people complain about MMR here, and then post screenshots as "proof" only to have that same proof work against them (in most cases turns out the OP is just retarded, and the system is working as intended).

                I really hope to see more posts like this. Top fucking material.
                Many different people want many different things. Don't be upset if the thing that you want hasn't happened yet. It doesn't mean it will never happen. An Organization has a responsibility to prioritize the desires of the majority. A single individual (You) is a minority. Do not ask yourself whether or not your desires are relevant. Ask only if your desires are that of the majorities.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Vasilev View Post
                  Decided to give the MM another shot.

                  http://dotabuff.com/matches/251105488

                  we're 3 people stack
                  1000 wins
                  1250 wins
                  1500 wins

                  We receive a 215 wins viper ally going mid.

                  ON THE ENEMY TEAM THE SNIPER HAS 23 wins and 26 looses

                  We all just sopped playing in the middle of the game. There is no point ...
                  All of you are between 50 and 51% win. The sniper with 23 wins and 26 losses now have 30 wins and 25 losses, not sure how but the main this is that his w/l is 54,55%.
                  Many games doesn't give you increased rating. You need to win as well.

                  Idk why I even bothered replying as this looks like a troll thread. But you can never be sure.

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