BAM! No more visible wins.

[Ghostface]

See this is the problem with whiners.
Wins =/= skill.

A player with 1000 wins could be a noob but still attain those wins because he stacks with friends 9/10 times.

A player with 20 wins could be smurf who was detected by the
matchmaking system and placed him with the same elo as you, but its still a noob.

There was a shitload of explanations by Fletcher (Valve Dev) on how some aspects of
matchmaking work, but what do we get? Some spoiled brats who bitch about things when

1. No new heroes; dead game Volvo.
2. Lost because queued with 20 win person; FIX THIS SHITTY MM!
3. Muted because hes a raging asshole; REMOVE MUTE SYSTEM NAO!

Im sure youll all go to lengths such as checking dotabuff to see the stats of these people,
but goodluck with 80% of the population having info sharing off and 99% of newcomers having this option off as well.

All in all, nice move Valve, getting tired of those:
"HOW CAN YOU PAIR ME WITH 20 WIN PERSON?" (when you didnt consider hes a smurf or stacked with a 1000 win person")
or even those seemingly non-rage thread but clearly are:
"Matchmaking should be improved" (With ofcourse the seemingly non-rage post of "Why is matchmaking putting me with 20 win people)

So have fun with your elitist, spoiled attitude dota players. Acting like youre fucking competing in TI3.
Unless you take the time to ASSESS YOURSELF instead of being a raging asshole, then you should probably stop playing the game
and move on to other things. My suggestion would be to move to HoN because its a carbon copy of dota, you wont have issues
learning there. Or you know, theres always League of Lesbians, theyre fucking hot from what I hear.


One last point: You cannot judge a person's skill on how many wins they have.
The most important aspect of a player is not only skill, but CONSISTENCY.
If youre a god-tier player, you are expected to do well 24/7, WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN.
Tell me, do you always go in with a 100% performance? Those 100% hooks and arrows?
5 man RP's? Always know where to position? Perfect ice path? Know when to send back
your allies as chen? Shallow grave at the right time? Get that across the map flare kill as clock?
HAVE 100% GOOD DAYS AND 0% BAD DAYS?

again, people need to asses THEMSELVES instead of others, and this is why hiding wins was a good move.

[SlayerS]

dont be upset, if valve will keep doing great job, eventually players will move to other games, and u will be happy to play vs good mannered bots with ur 100 wins account

[Necessary]

lol @ "elitist spoiled attitude",

I just want to be challenged playing DOTA 2 in a legitimate contest, not have 46-4 crushing victories handed to me again and again because 2 out of my 5 opponents have 40-50 wins. How long did it take you to write this straw man?

[Balgorxz]

hey kid watch this http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=99664

there's no point in defending valve lazy attitude against failure if you realy wan to get something from them just apply for a moderator they'll take anyone blind enough, unless you are braindead and think eveything is fine like 50-3 stomps are compltely ok

[Ghostface]

I have a 400 win account on 700+ games, no problems whatsoever getting paired with 20wins account since I can clearly tell they know what theyre doing.

[Necessary]

Don't believe you, sorry.

[Ghostface]

lol @ "elitist spoiled attitude",

I just want to be challenged playing DOTA 2 in a legitimate contest, not have 46-4 crushing victories handed to me again and again because 2 out of my 5 opponents have 40-50 wins. How long did it take you to write this straw man?

Because every hero lineup in the game is clearly balanced around having a 50% chance of winning right?
I mean, a fed spectre can easily win against a fed phantom assassin right?
I mean, a ganking team who already had their items can clearly be outganked by the other teams right?

It seems like youre missing out on the snowball effect of dota.
You CAN push the snowball back, but you should know when to do it,
and there always come a point where you cant push the
snowball back anymore since its too big for you to handle.

And I like how people use the straw man to make them sound smart. I applaud your attempt sir.

[Necessary]

I'm sorry was that supposed to be in reply to my post? You didn't address anything in it.

[Noo]

Can you explain to using Eclipse against invisible units? Is this some kind of move pro players do? What about the Riki that goes straight BF without even having boots, while we're in mid game? Maybe the Medusa that starts with Sage's Mask and Boots of Travel, then pushes the lane with Split Shot and leaves the snake to be leveled at last? Did I mention the Sven that levels cleave first and buys lifesteal before he even has Power Treads?

Obviously the MM system is perfectly fine and all of these players are pros.

[Grenadier23]

hey kid watch this http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=99664

there's no point in defending valve lazy attitude against failure if you realy wan to get something from them just apply for a moderator they'll take anyone blind enough, unless you are braindead and think eveything is fine like 50-3 stomps are compltely ok

What's your favorite hero in the game?

[Ghostface]

Can you explain to using Eclipse against invisible units? Is this some kind of move pro players do? What about the Riki that goes straight BF without even having boots, while we're in mid game? Maybe the Medusa that starts with Sage's Mask and Boots of Travel, then pushes the lane with Split Shot and leaves the snake to be leveled at last? Did I mention the Sven that levels cleave first and buys lifesteal before he even has Power Treads?

Obviously the MM system is perfectly fine and all of these players are pros.

Because clearly Dota2 is like league of legends where mechanics are very basic right?
Like when you can tornado a person who has an invis rune but not when he has shadow walk.
Like when you attempt to demonic purge an infernal and you kill it BUT WAS ACTUALLY FIXED TO NOT KILL IT.
Like when you know that all skills hit invisible units right?

A first item BoT Medusa is a ZSMJ build, which many people try to copy.

But you wouldnt know all of this, because Im sure you go by the recommended items list instead of experimenting.
I mean, clearly youre better than those guys because you always know what to do compared to them.

Sigh, like what I said, ASSES YOURSELF before others.

[Noo]

Because clearly Dota2 is like league of legends where mechanics are very basic right?
Like when you can tornado a person who has an invis rune but not when he has shadow walk.
Like when you attempt to demonic purge an infernal and you kill it BUT WAS ACTUALLY FIXED TO NOT KILL IT.
Like when you know that all skills hit invisible units right?

A first item BoT Medusa is a ZSMJ build, which many people try to copy.

But you wouldnt know all of this, because Im sure you go by the recommended items list instead of experimenting.
I mean, clearly youre better than those guys because you always know what to do compared to them.

Sigh, like what I said, ASSES YOURSELF before others.

Boots of Speed* Oh, and by the way, that Medusa ended up with Linkens, Phase Boots, Shadow Blade and an Ultimate Orb in 53 mins game with a score of 1/9/9, while I had 26/3/13
Did I say she was flaming the entire match?

Yes, obviously a pro player.

[nurso]

The most important aspect of a player is not only skill, but CONSISTENCY.

So, CONSISTENCY is the new MMR? I'm ok with it, just make the number visible for all players...

[azrael109]

The only reason wins (and all other stats are hidden) is to hide the fact that Valve has no clue about making a decent MM system. Now you wont even be able to get "proof" from a printscreen but they can keep claiming it was an even game. After it ended 40-5.

[dmoe]

Whining about whiners.