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  • Is not wanting to play with foreigners really racism?

    Short answer: No.

    Long answer: There is overwhelming evidence in support of not wanting to play with people from outside your selected region on the basis that they do not speak your language, or are statistically proven to be bad at the game. I'm working off of my stats, which are not all that different from the general consensus of people I hang out with in the chat rooms and such on Dota 2.

    Over 80% of my lost games in my history are overwhelmingly dominated by myself being paired up with either 4-man stacks or random players all from South America. I'm not a racist, but I HATE playing with these people.

    A) They do not know how to coordinate anything (mostly because they're too busy spamming the mic or all chat)
    B) They are not friendly. Most of the time the first words out of their mouths have something to do with 'team es noob' or something to that tune.
    C) They suck at Dota 2. There is no excuse to have a score as poor on average as they do. Let alone their constant complaints about the team when they're the only ones to blame for their mistakes.

    Personal side note: D) I'm white, so that instantly makes me a racist just because I dislike people from South America on the grounds that this is the Eastern United States where the language is English, and your pocket communities are the only ones speaking native languages of whatever immigrant culture they belong to. I won't deny that I have said some appalling things in games when I get mad. I will rage pretty hard on account of I don't want to be playing with these people. IT doesn't mean I don't look back after wards and regret saying them. It doesn't make them any less right or wrong depending on the context. The problem is that Valve should not be instigating issues like this in the first place. If I get other Americans and they suck, that's called bad matchmaking. I get paired with Peruvians and they suck, that's called the status quo. I've tried some of my best heroes when I managed to check before selections and see that I have a bunch of people from Peru on my team, but still I can't carry games. Even with 550-650 gpm/xpm I can't manage it. They just feed too hard and/or complain and compete for farm or make terrible picks (5 carries, anyone?).


    I don't know, I'm venting right now. It pisses me off to lose games solely because of 4 idiots from another country with level 1 accounts are paired up with me, tanking my MMR in to the trench.
    Petition to remove Single Draft. All Random is more balanced than Single Draft.

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    Oh. I came here to answer your question, but apparently you didn't really want to know what other people thought. You just wanted to spout your own rubbish 'reasoning' to try to justify being a raging racist.

    Yet another "I'm not a racist but..." arguments.

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    • #3
      Short answer: Yes

      Long answer: If the foreigner is competent in your language as if he were a native, then on paper and in game there is no difference and you would not even notice a difference between him and a native. Location =/= Skill =/=Linguistic ability.


      Btw
      C) They suck at Dota 2. There is no excuse to have a score as poor on average as they do. Let alone their constant complaints about the team when they're the only ones to blame for their mistakes.
      So all non US citizens are shit at DOTA2. There was not one american team in the finals. Alliance is Swedish, Na'vi is Ukrainian. Tell me more how America is the only continent with skilled dota players.
      Originally posted by Typhox
      Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
      Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Iratus View Post
        Short answer: No.
        But.. according to pplz... YES :c
        Originally posted by Kryil-
        Shut up Shmendrich. Seriously...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
          Btw


          So all non US citizens are shit at DOTA2. There was not one american team in the finals. Alliance is Swedish, Na'vi is Ukrainian. Tell me more how America is the only continent with skilled dota players.
          Mine was in reference to Peru. Notice how many teams of Hispanic origin even showed up at TI3?
          Petition to remove Single Draft. All Random is more balanced than Single Draft.

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          • #6
            Just a question, do you know why people commonly que in the US? A lot of times it is because the routing is SA can be extremely poor and the US offers better ping. There are many reasons, but it happens.

            On a side note, nobody gives a fuck what your race is, this is the internet. You don't have a race here. You have the ability to communicate with the languages you know. And you know us culture, yada yada yada, who the fuck cares.
            This is about not being able to communicate, this is about language selection in dota 2, and you are giving the real arguments out there a bad name. While I believe it is also a problem, you should remove (please) your personal side note up to the point of where you say you sometimes rage hard. This provides clarity about yourself and even if you get flamed for it, it is relevant even if not such a nice thing.

            Now, you must also understand that Valve themselves do not instigate this at all, they merely do not limit the possibility of such an encounters. And if you have 5 carries, it is also YOUR fault.

            Also, even when venting, try to offer some sort of solution or at least something, don't just complain. Something like "have que data stored in the matches so we can see who qued for what language/servers/whatever so we know if people are just queing where the fuck ever to just play whilst ignoring the guidelines set in place by Valve to try and help facilitate the traffic and gameplay to provide the best service."

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            • #7
              (A) and (B) don't make you sound racist. (C) is as racist as it could be.

              And please refrain from exaggerations like "I`m matched with lvl 1 accounts". In most cases it means you are in a trench tier or smurfing.
              Remember, remember the 1st of November

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              • #8
                Oh Americans, you guys chased the natives away from America ! Racists !
                Originally posted by 8-ball
                You mean ppl who went to china and won countless tourneys? who won 3 out of 4 internationals? I guess everyone can see your point, indeed.

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                • #9
                  What if I hate everyone equally?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Avidity View Post
                    What if I hate everyone equally?
                    genocide
                    Originally posted by 8-ball
                    You mean ppl who went to china and won countless tourneys? who won 3 out of 4 internationals? I guess everyone can see your point, indeed.

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                    • #11
                      So if I hit random, get a carry, then the 4 others all pick carries and bitch about couriers, it's my fault.

                      I'll leave that little tidbid there because I'm being honest about myself and I'm not pleased with how I sometimes act, but it isn't like I'm running around burning crosses or spewing racial slurs at anyone who isn't white.

                      I already offered a solution in another thread; It was immediately closed despite being a good idea. It was to match people based on origin IP and the selected region, rather than what region the player chose to play on. Thus removing South America from the US East IP pool for matchmaking if that is the only selected region (which is how I play). I don't want someone who speaks Spanish or Portuguese and nothing else to be matched with me on a team game that requires communication and cooperation. That will always end in disaster.

                      Honestly if people just freaking spoke English when they choose English, it wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately for myself, and South America, the people I see playing with me are bottom of the worst players ever to install the game. My ranked rating got destroyed in placements thanks to Valve's wonderful matchmaking system putting me up with a 4-man Peruvian stack vs. 5 Americans who proceeded to defecate on them and even pitied me in all chat for being matched to them. This happened 6 times before I stopped playing ranked until Valve fixed it, after which I got placed at ~3500.
                      Petition to remove Single Draft. All Random is more balanced than Single Draft.

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                      • #12
                        Placement games are based on your OWN performance, stop trying to lie to yourself...
                        Originally posted by 8-ball
                        You mean ppl who went to china and won countless tourneys? who won 3 out of 4 internationals? I guess everyone can see your point, indeed.

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                        • #13
                          MMR & skill differ a lot when it comes to distinct regions. Pray for Valve to eventually release some form of region lock.

                          ie: somebody with ~3500 MMR from South America will perform worse than somebody with ~3500 from EU West or US East.

                          EUwest is by far the highest MMR scores. USeast is 2nd but far behind EUwest. SEA and China are approximately tied for 3rd again far behind USeast. USwest and EUeast are similar far behind that as well. All other servers are so much weaker they rarely have even 1 game on page 1 or page 2 of live games.

                          This pattern happen mostly because of who can play on which servers with good pings. Everyone from North and South American, All of Europe, and Russia can all play EUwest...so the best teams in the west all compete there. USeast gets some of the same results so it is 2nd. China and SEA cannot take points from the western teams because the pings are too high, but they share the points from the whole of the eastern pool...but its a smaller group of players so there are fewer points to take.

                          You have to speculate whether the points from the western servers are worth the same as the points from the eastern servers. But pub stacks on EUwest are nearly always rated higher than any stack from China or SEA unless a full eastern pro team is playing. Western pro stacks also have much higher MMRs than Eastern pro stacks for the same reasons.
                          Last edited by Avidity; 12-30-2013, 11:31 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Iratus View Post
                            So if I hit random, get a carry, then the 4 others all pick carries and bitch about couriers, it's my fault.

                            I'll leave that little tidbid there because I'm being honest about myself and I'm not pleased with how I sometimes act, but it isn't like I'm running around burning crosses or spewing racial slurs at anyone who isn't white.

                            I already offered a solution in another thread; It was immediately closed despite being a good idea. It was to match people based on origin IP and the selected region, rather than what region the player chose to play on. Thus removing South America from the US East IP pool for matchmaking if that is the only selected region (which is how I play). I don't want someone who speaks Spanish or Portuguese and nothing else to be matched with me on a team game that requires communication and cooperation. That will always end in disaster.

                            Honestly if people just freaking spoke English when they choose English, it wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately for myself, and South America, the people I see playing with me are bottom of the worst players ever to install the game. My ranked rating got destroyed in placements thanks to Valve's wonderful matchmaking system putting me up with a 4-man Peruvian stack vs. 5 Americans who proceeded to defecate on them and even pitied me in all chat for being matched to them. This happened 6 times before I stopped playing ranked until Valve fixed it, after which I got placed at ~3500.
                            If you don't repick yes.

                            Your thread was closed because you did not read the forum rules and that idea has already been discussed, denied, and declined by Valve. If they say they won't do it, there is not point in discussing it. And if you haven't gotten it yet, your race doesn't matter.

                            Language preference is merely there to help shift players so they can play with players they can communicate with. It's like saying "What language can you communicate in/What languaged players do you want to play with?" Doesn't say anywhere where you actually have to speak the langauge, though it can help in many cases.

                            Why isn't this thread something like "Why can't I communicate with my teamates?" or "What the fuck is the use of the langauge filter?"

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                            • #15
                              OP is an obvious racist & retard, no interest in talking to him.


                              But this bit is interesting:
                              Originally posted by Avidity View Post
                              MMR & skill differ a lot when it comes to distinct regions. Pray for Valve to eventually release some form of region lock.

                              ie: somebody with ~3500 MMR from South America will perform worse than somebody with ~3500 from EU West or US East.

                              EUwest is by far the highest MMR scores. USeast is 2nd but far behind EUwest. SEA and China are approximately tied for 3rd again far behind USeast. USwest and EUeast are similar far behind that as well. All other servers are so much weaker they rarely have even 1 game on page 1 or page 2 of live games.

                              This pattern happen mostly because of who can play on which servers with good pings. Everyone from North and South American, All of Europe, and Russia can all play EUwest...so the best teams in the west all compete there. USeast gets some of the same results so it is 2nd. China and SEA cannot take points from the western teams because the pings are too high, but they share the points from the whole of the eastern pool...but its a smaller group of players so there are fewer points to take.

                              You have to speculate whether the points from the western servers are worth the same as the points from the eastern servers. But pub stacks on EUwest are nearly always rated higher than any stack from China or SEA unless a full eastern pro team is playing. Western pro stacks also have much higher MMRs than Eastern pro stacks for the same reasons.
                              Top mmrs of the server actually come down to the population of the server, generally because it's a "zero sum" in the end, thus to get higher you need more "donors" to "allow" you to get that high.

                              I've noticed that top players at a "small" au server have like ±5300 mmr and they are actually top players skillwise, while at us servers there're lots of med+ players with 5k+.
                              Last edited by soprof; 12-31-2013, 01:07 AM.
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