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The solution for people that have problems with ranked matchmaking

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pfanner View Post
    well if u have a problem with matchmaking in solo ranked that means probbly you are the fail one.

    my rank not even good (4200) and i played like 40-50 solo que( only cm/cd mode) all those matches were pretty good. never got a feeder or troll in game..
    The 4000's are actually not that bad - agreed. The 3000's can be horrible.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Raspharus View Post
      The only thing that I have to say is that discovering this, helped me greatly

      step 1 launch steam
      step 2 look in your library, you will see dota 2
      step 3 right click dota 2
      step 4 click on uninstall
      step 5 confirm uninstall
      step 6 go to dev.dota2.com
      step 7 post lunatic rant post about mmr, valve, and the "community", get thread closed
      step 8 reinstall dota 2
      fixed

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Raspharus View Post
        The only thing that I have to say is that discovering this, helped me greatly

        step 1 launch dota 2
        step 2 look on ur left side; you will see the chat and a + button
        step 3 press the button
        step 4 search for your country lobby/channel
        step 5 enter the channel and search for a party that is willing to play ranked
        step 6 join the party
        step 7 queue for rank.
        step 8 ?????
        step 9 profit!!!(and also a coordinated team where you can play your desired role, win, get rid of foreigners and begginers that ruin your game)
        But what if I want better solo rank?

        Originally posted by lolvalve View Post
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        Is that signature too big? Does it offend someone? You can report it and if moderators agree they'll remove it. In my opinion it is bad example of an signature. It has no use whatsoever (because non of its true), it spreads false information and image is far too big.
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        People do care about your signature size, go and see here http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php/?t=121813/
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        • #19
          the only rating that matters is the solo one, its so easy to win with 5 man party against 5 guys solo, sadly if you beat the 5 man party while being alone you will receive only the +25 points as usually

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Raspharus View Post
            The only thing that I have to say is that discovering this, helped me greatly

            step 1 launch dota 2
            step 2 look on ur left side; you will see the chat and a + button
            step 3 press the button
            step 4 search for your country lobby/channel
            step 5 enter the channel and search for a party that is willing to play ranked
            step 6 join the party
            step 7 queue for rank.
            step 8 ?????
            step 9 profit!!!(and also a coordinated team where you can play your desired role, win, get rid of foreigners and beginners that ruin your game)
            OK, let's say you are right... that will count on your Party MMR... but WHAT ABOUT SOLO MMR?
            As some say: Many don't have friends(or friends online) when they play, so they will play solo ranked match. What is your solution for them?
            This is how Dota2 games should look like! Game 1_Game 2_Game 3_Game 4_Game 5_Game 6

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            • #21
              What OP says is pretty bullshit in a way.

              1. You can be carried by others, and ''you don't deserve the win'', so you will go down in mmr eventually when not stacking with those high-tier players.
              2. How about solo mmr?
              3. Why not stack with friends? No wait what are friends when we have dota2 right ....
              4. No, waste of time, and you relating stack = mmr heaven( you said people who are lazy to find = dwell in elo hell) means you believe in mmr hell
              5. If you so believe in mmr hell, just go play LoL then, they have elo reset every season.

              It's so stupid to see people who believe in elo hell posting about how to rise in elo.

              I mean believing in elo hell = you shouldn't be there, but u cant rise becuz of shit noobs

              CAN'T RISE

              why r u even posting about rising son
              Originally posted by 8-ball
              You mean ppl who went to china and won countless tourneys? who won 3 out of 4 internationals? I guess everyone can see your point, indeed.

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              • #22
                well that escalated quickly.

                wew I didn't even said a word about elo hell or boosting yet i 'm acussed by it. Don't like the thread move on and ignore it. It's not mandatory to use this method. if mods consider this offending or something close it I don't even care I just wanted to help.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Raspharus View Post
                  well that escalated quickly.

                  wew I didn't even said a word about elo hell or boosting yet i 'm acussed by it. Don't like the thread move on and ignore it. It's not mandatory to use this method. if mods consider this offending or something close it I don't even care I just wanted to help.
                  Answer to my post pls.:
                  OK, let's say you are right... that will count on your Party MMR... but WHAT ABOUT SOLO MMR?
                  As some say: Many don't have friends(or friends online) when they play, so they will play solo ranked match. What is your solution for them?(http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?...l=1#post924377)
                  This is how Dota2 games should look like! Game 1_Game 2_Game 3_Game 4_Game 5_Game 6

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 8-ball View Post
                    Another thing too, the only reason why this solution works probably 80% of all games or more is because the matchmaking is heavily broken, by matching stacks vs non stacks. Or stacks of 4-5 vs stacks of 2-3 and rest randoms.

                    When u stack with 3-4 other ppl you will usually be able to at least communicate well with them. When u solo, you run into chat banned teammates, etc.

                    Lets start with another thing, most basic one. Ppl who want to stack usually follow the same goal- to win the game. Otherwise they wouldnt be looking for a coordinated team. So now you have 4-5 tryhards vs lets say a stack of 2 and 3 randoms. Things simply cant work this way, except the stack is really way worse skillwise.

                    So again, the only reason why your solution works that well is because how broken the MM is. Basically you would take advantage over the system and stack with 3-4 other descent players, when the MM throws all possible retards in the other team. You have trolls, you have retards with brain damage, who dive enemy towers to chase heroes, get killed over and over again and still dont stop doing the same nonsense.

                    So in other words with your solution ppl would abuse the current matchmaking or at least take a huge advantage of it. You go find 4 other descent dudes, judging by their stats and last games played and you rape the random retards. Simply because most of the time if you have a stack of 4, you dont face at least a stack of 4 as well. More often than not u have a stack of 2-3 ppl in the other team and 2-3 randoms, whereas you have 4-5 tryhards on your side.
                    Matchmaking can't be fixed to give you what you would call proper players 100% of the time.


                    Why is it so hard for people to understand that the matchmaking system can't forsee the future?...

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                    • #25
                      1. Learn Slark

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                      • #26
                        OP's main point is right, the system is so horribly fakked up that getting a 5 man stack is the only way to play the game.

                        If you play solo you run the high risk of getting the non-english, feeding, muppet. Or facing a 5 stack with 5 solos. If you have 5 man you are in for a 100 times better expirience.

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                        • #27
                          Ok so I got in an english channel with 999 memebers, wrote "anyone up for a ranked party?", none replied, I went again "anyone here speaks english?" just one guy replied me and told me that there is, but a few.
                          what I see is only some shitty bots spamming trade offers.
                          Not a complete soulution for MM problem.
                          Originally posted by brandon75689
                          I played gyro and got 15 minutes, Phase, Magic stick, Drum, ring of Aquila, Bkb.

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                          • #28
                            solution to solve hunger in africa:

                            dont look at africa
                            enjoy your life
                            ???
                            profit

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                            • #29
                              I am currently +/- 3800's, Solo, 75% of the games I get put in are 100% Spanish, no english WHATSOEVER, even though I've queued for USWEST - ENGLISH... Grinding my way up through South America to the 4000's in which I hope is USWEST in that tier is horribly painful, I mute / report all the spiteful trolls that are amongst the 3000's, 2 Report's per week enrage me to no end..... Queuing for ENGLISH and not speaking a WORD of it should be reportable. I know it isn't because my last 3 weeks of reports have been oriented around my teammate not speaking english AND trolling me in spiteful hatred for speaking ENGLISH!.... Like... WTF?!

                              Please tell me there are english speaking players in the 4000's, or atleast players that dont troll instantaneously upon hearing ENGLISH on a USWEST-ENGLISH server....... Valve needs to change the way people select Servers/Languages, this current model is infuriating...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Raspharus View Post
                                enlighten me how can a person that plays support(hard support actually) carry the game when the carry doesn't do his job? It can but very hard because as you know team coordination is very important. Last time I checked all those pro players had an organized team not some random pubs. If you don't like the method ignore it and move on.
                                For a great many players, support is code for poor performance player and carry is code for high performance player. So you're effectively admitting that you play with a poor level of performance and seek high level of performance players to help you win. You didn't refute his argument at all. I have played all roles and the only roles that matter are the ones that are being played by the players that have a high level of performance. It doesn't matter what the scores look like to an untrained eye. That's why matchmaking is so screwed over, that it even allows those types of players into the game. What I mean by that is the game should prefer to form reliable teams and find good matches. My idea of a good match is 1 team with 5 players that will work together well against 1 other team with its own 5 players that will work together well. Instead of my idea, currently, matchmaking runs with a collection of ten players and divides them into 2 teams that it considers fair with those players only. Another problem is there is no 'not helping the team detection' in place in order to punish players that have way too high or way too low of a score, which is deceptively different from performance. But that(namely the snobby attitude that numbers mean more than results) is something that would probably be limited in nature after my idea is implemented since it is an attitude of the community which is encouraged by the broken matchmaking.

                                They did start giving us survey questions(the most notable for the direction I'm taking this thread would be the ones asking you to rate the level of cooperation you showed your team or the other way around for the other one), but they don't make us fill out all of them at once, and they don't even serve them for every game. So it would be hard to imagine that the matchmaking currently cares a great deal about finding 5 players that work well together and making them a team to play against another team found similarly. If they really have started to do this and are keeping it secret from us...okay, so matchmaking is improving a little. But I sure expect them to make more advances in this direction.
                                Originally posted by Nicke View Post
                                the only rating that matters is the solo one, its so easy to win with 5 man party against 5 guys solo, sadly if you beat the 5 man party while being alone you will receive only the +25 points as usually
                                Agreed, it is sad.
                                Last edited by hoveringmover; 01-14-2014, 06:54 PM.
                                I will mercilessly add to my ignore list anyone that makes an incredibly annoying signature.

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