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  • #16
    Originally posted by Noo View Post
    Welcome to every developer.
    *publisher

    Developers want to develop games. Doesn't mean they have to / can interact with the community. That's usually PR/marketing people from publishers.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kumori View Post
      *publisher

      Developers want to develop games. Doesn't mean they have to / can interact with the community. That's usually PR/marketing people from publishers.
      And what they develop is always to make sure there's money in their pockets.
      Publishers too.

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      • #18
        And what they develop is always to make sure there's money in their pockets.
        Speaking from my own experience most of them just want to create great games / experiences and they consider themselves lucky that they can recieve money for it.
        Very few people goes into game making because "I want to earn money, I don't give a shit about quality" ofcourse they exist. But considering the financial start in the business you're better of to do something else if money is what you want.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by kuvasz View Post
          Holy shit no offence but prepare to get steamrolled after the nerf. So many ES games...
          Lol i barely got 30 games with ES. And even if they nerf him, i still don't see how he will actually be nerfed. Even if they increase his Mana pool, he still has no problems with mana, if they decrease stun duration on Grip, you can chage the combo like this : from D + E, u go W+D+E, same combo, way faster and even if the person is 0.5 sec stunned, he will get the boulder roll. If they decrease the silence, he will still be OP, because in early where he is the most effective, that silence rarely has to be used to kill someone.

          Maybe they could decrease the stone remanants from a max 6 to a max 4, but still, he is going to be very much decent. Right now he is the best early game hero in the pool, there is no other that can do what he does. And the skills wont be changed, maybe the numbers will be changed on some of his effects, but other than that, i seriously doubt the skills will be changed in any way.
          It's not an easy hero by any means, but not that hard either.

          I think the absolute most broken thing on him is that Share effect from his ultimate, if u get your ulti on 4, and u silence only 1 of them, all 4 get the silence, same for Rolling Boulder, if u slow 1, all of them gets slowed into oblivion.
          That's the most broken thing with this hero and i hope that is going to be changed.
          Last edited by lolSaiph; 01-19-2014, 10:08 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by lolSaiph View Post
            Lol i barely got 30 games with ES. And even if they nerf him, i still don't see how he will actually be nerfed. Even if they increase his Mana pool, he still has no problems with mana, if they decrease stun duration on Grip, you can chage the combo like this : from D + E, u go W+D+E, same combo, way faster and even if the person is 0.5 sec stunned, he will get the boulder roll. If they decrease the silence, he will still be OP, because in early where he is the most effective, that silence rarely has to be used to kill someone.

            Maybe they could decrease the stone remanants from a max 6 to a max 4, but still, he is going to be very much decent. Right now he is the best early game hero in the pool, there is no other that can do what he does. And the skills wont be changed, maybe the numbers will be changed on some of his effects, but other than that, i seriously doubt the skills will be changed in any way.
            It's not an easy hero by any means, but not that hard either.
            less stone remnants
            stone remnants higher cd / now get a mana cost
            geomagnetic grip changed from stun to 100% slow ( like wisp )

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kumori View Post
              Speaking from my own experience most of them just want to create great games / experiences and they consider themselves lucky that they can recieve money for it.
              Very few people goes into game making because "I want to earn money, I don't give a shit about quality" [...]
              I doubt Noo was referring to fresh people in the industry. The point is, sooner or later money will be more important than quality, which is true not only for games, but for music (with bands shifting in style) and pretty much everything. If you think game developers are "happy they can earn money doing what they love" then you are delusional or 13. That's like saying progamers are happy they can earn money by playing. It's just as frustrating/demanding as any other profession/job.
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              • #22
                If you think game developers are "happy they can earn money doing what they love" then you are delusional or 13
                I tried to and will keep on trying getting into 3d artists business. Guess what, I would be happy to earn money doing what I think it's fun.
                Game development or any artistic "work" can't be FORCED without passion. If you don't love it, you won't create enough good stuff to finally get to earn money.

                I doubt Noo was referring to fresh people in the industry.
                Fresh people, indie developers that is, won't even earn enough to provide a living, it's usually side projects next to another job or any other means of supporting.
                The indie developers that make it, for example the start of blizzard and lately path of exile, managed to succeed because they loved what they were doing.
                And when they shown they are competent and can create something people enjoy then it's the time when they can start earning money.

                But that's years of devotion before you can reap the awards.

                as I said, you can't go into the business with the mindset I WANNA EARN MONEY FUCK QUALITY because you won't even last long enough before you earn said money.

                It's just as frustrating/demanding as any other profession/job.
                Definitely, guess why they can keep on doing it? They like it.

                I'm not saying that money can't change you. But that's after you become successful. Which leads to my point that developers usually work with games because they like creating games or just creating in general. Then if they manage to become a millionare and start prioritizing money instead of games is another story. Point is they still wouldn't get there if they didn't "love" it in the beginning. And guess what? These are minority because a minority is earning tons of money on games. Majority of the developers in the entire gaming indusrty, indie or triple a studios, just want to create games.
                Last edited by Kumori; 01-19-2014, 10:22 AM.
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                • #23
                  You need passion to get into it, but you need business sense to stay in it. I don't know about PoE but Blizzard was created in a vastly different world with respect to technology/gaming. I'm familiar with their history but compare the competition then and now. LoL is not popular because it's a good game (either content-wise or execution), it's because they purposefully made a shit dumbed-down game for the masses dictated by their business sense.
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                  • #24
                    You need passion to get into it, but you need business sense to stay in it.
                    Only if you go for higher positions. Up to and including supervisor you only need passion and a great knowledge in the field. But you don't need much business sense(knowledge of deadlines and time estimation might be called business sense though). Beyond that however, I agree.

                    LoL is not popular because it's a good game (either content-wise or execution), it's because they purposefully made a shit dumbed-down game for the masses dictated by their business sense.
                    This is so very vague. I personally don't enjoy LoL that much. But saying it's a bad game because it's dumbed down is not true at all. How can we objectively say if a game is good or not? Personally I think a good game is a game that gives what masses wants. So if it's sucessfull which LoL is, I say it's a good game in that sense. But personally I don't.
                    But our personal opinions is just saying if the game is good or bad for us. But from person to person every game is good and bad. What's bad for you, might be good for someone else.

                    I try and stay away from statements like "this game sucks" and I rather say "I don't enjoy that game".
                    I might agree to the bit that their business model and how they develop the game is purely for money. But considering how many players and how big their community is, it's still a success and a lot of players thinks it's a good game.


                    EDIT: noticed we have gone very far off-topic, should probably stop now. Sorry
                    Last edited by Kumori; 01-19-2014, 10:40 AM.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kumori View Post
                      [...] EDIT: noticed we have gone very far off-topic, should probably stop now. Sorry
                      It's a mute topic, ofc it's going to get locked, so it doesn't matter

                      As for good or bad game, it's like comparing novels to magazine articles/gossips. The latter is simpler and targets masses who prefer those over books - does that mean the article can be considered superior from a certain aspect? I think it can't and the former is objectively superior. But yeah I'll stop here in case this doesn't get locked
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                      • #26
                        Totally deserved.
                        Originally posted by katsaroulhs
                        I see. You are on the reasons this game's community is considered "human waste".

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kuvasz View Post
                          It's a mute topic, ofc it's going to get locked, so it doesn't matter

                          As for good or bad game, it's like comparing novels to magazine articles/gossips. The latter is simpler and targets masses who prefer those over books - does that mean the article can be considered superior from a certain aspect? I think it can't and the former is objectively superior. But yeah I'll stop here in case this doesn't get locked
                          I have not complained about the mute, i seriously don't care, i can still play ES, and enemy still rages, and i love it. Now i like it better because they can't report me anymore, so it's amazing. I was just asking if anyone finds this fair : getting muted because you play a hero, and you can't actually report that person back (because you can't see who reported you), for abusing the system.

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