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  • Forming parties must have its limits because:

    Matchmaking system allows a maximum of 500 rating discrepancy among teammates in a particular match if everyone is playing solo, if they are not in a party with anyone.

    Say, you have a noob friend and you play with him on a regular basis. Say his solo rating is 3800ish but party rating thanks to your exceptional performance that you show in every single game you are in a party with him, his party rating gets inflated by 800 rating or so making him 4600 rated player. And these guys are matched by other players' solo ratings according to their party ratings. Valve claims that they are "aware of the fact that when you are in parties with your friends you play better" A big LOL goes here but anyways..

    In my opinion players that you can choose to get into parties with should be limited by the system if you are seeking a ranked matchmaking because:

    1) there is an intrusion of a lower rated player to higher games that he wouldn't be eligible at all if he were to play solo. Clearly this guy's rating is inflated but system just averages it which is so dumb. most likely other 3 players will suffer because of this guy's low performance. Even in a best case scenario where these 2 guys that are in party go into same lane and never split up entire game there will be a skill deficiency in that team. Just admit it already, most of you guys have such friends that you would never play with them ever again if you didn't know them in real life.

    2) It can easily be abused. Say I have 4 friends that want to increase their party ratings with no effort at all. I can abuse a fake account forcing it into lowering the rating it has. Say, my friends have 5k+ party ratings. And with this smurf account that is forced down to 1k rating what average does it make? 5 + 5 + 5 +5 +1 = it makes a 5 man stack with an average of 4k rating. Can you imagine? actually you are at a strength of a 5k rated player but the team that you will face will have a total of 5k rating lower because system allows you to get into parties with whoever you want disregarding the rating discrepancies they have.

    Easy Solution: do not allow parties at all in solo queues and bring a limit to the discrepancy among party members.

  • #2
    >3800ish
    >noob

    I must be bacteria-tier.

    I think stacks should have a limit of 2~3 to be able to be matched with solo queueing people. 5 Stacks must be queue'd in team matches.
    Originally posted by whiners
    Help! <game mechanic> is ruining MUH WODOTA! Remove pls!
    Fun is always allowed. Always...

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    • #3
      Creating an account and lowering it to 1k MMR is very very very hard...You will get LPQ for forcing a game to be lost... then you will have to play in LPQ... and so on...I don't think anyone has this patience...
      Yes 5 man stacks should be placed vs other 5 man stacks...but I guess there aren't so many 5 man stacks in ques... usually you get 15 minutes que when 5 man stacked play a team matchmaking game.
      This is how Dota2 games should look like! Game 1_Game 2_Game 3_Game 4_Game 5_Game 6

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      • #4
        If you play as 5 , form a team and play team matchmaking.

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        • #5
          I am not sure if they already do this (the matchmaking blog-posting could be interpreted that way), but the best solution would be to assign stacks which play more often together a seperate MMR (or a MMR modifier). That way a lower rated player who often plays with a higher rated player would be matched accordingly and if he happens to play with sombody else his normal (party) MMR would be used. Because of the complexity it would be best to hide the concrete numbers behind that mechanism.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FunAllowed View Post
            >3800ish
            >noob

            I must be bacteria-tier.

            I think stacks should have a limit of 2~3 to be able to be matched with solo queueing people. 5 Stacks must be queue'd in team matches.
            so if they are 4... will they play all games 4v4?

            No, just bring it back like it used to. Solo queue as an option. Lots of people in solo queue and lots of people playing normal that could fill in the 4stacks.
            つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

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            • #7
              Just make it so that if someone parties with a lower rated player the lower rather player on the other team must also be in a party with someone higher. What you are suggesting is plain retarded, why would they ever restrict people from playing with each other (take a moment to think about it now please)? People don't play together because they want to boost their ratings, they play with their friends because they want to.

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              • #8
                Just make it so that if someone parties with a lower rated player the lower rather player on the other team must also be in a party with someone higher
                Thought this already happened.
                つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kumori View Post
                  Thought this already happened.
                  true story. Indeed system tries to accomplish that.
                  sigpic <-- My work is done, if this gets implemented
                  Also: つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give Soloqueue!
                  Need some incentive to start a match of dota?
                  http://getdotastats.com/sig/87346642.png
                  Originally posted by DarkLite
                  Valve has abandoned the game! The game is now safe to leave.
                  No statistics will be recorded.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by candyfromababy View Post
                    Matchmaking system allows a maximum of 500 rating discrepancy among teammates in a particular match if everyone is playing solo, if they are not in a party with anyone.

                    Say, you have a noob friend and you play with him on a regular basis. Say his solo rating is 3800ish but party rating thanks to your exceptional performance that you show in every single game you are in a party with him, his party rating gets inflated by 800 rating or so making him 4600 rated player. And these guys are matched by other players' solo ratings according to their party ratings. Valve claims that they are "aware of the fact that when you are in parties with your friends you play better" A big LOL goes here but anyways..

                    In my opinion players that you can choose to get into parties with should be limited by the system if you are seeking a ranked matchmaking because:

                    1) there is an intrusion of a lower rated player to higher games that he wouldn't be eligible at all if he were to play solo. Clearly this guy's rating is inflated but system just averages it which is so dumb. most likely other 3 players will suffer because of this guy's low performance. Even in a best case scenario where these 2 guys that are in party go into same lane and never split up entire game there will be a skill deficiency in that team. Just admit it already, most of you guys have such friends that you would never play with them ever again if you didn't know them in real life.

                    2) It can easily be abused. Say I have 4 friends that want to increase their party ratings with no effort at all. I can abuse a fake account forcing it into lowering the rating it has. Say, my friends have 5k+ party ratings. And with this smurf account that is forced down to 1k rating what average does it make? 5 + 5 + 5 +5 +1 = it makes a 5 man stack with an average of 4k rating. Can you imagine? actually you are at a strength of a 5k rated player but the team that you will face will have a total of 5k rating lower because system allows you to get into parties with whoever you want disregarding the rating discrepancies they have.

                    Easy Solution: do not allow parties at all in solo queues and bring a limit to the discrepancy among party members.
                    This rating getting inflated by the system is completely false.

                    Before ranked I constantly played in stacks and played solo once in a blue moon.

                    My solo MMR is 4.3k and my party MMR is 4.1k

                    The stacks of friends I play with sort of rotate but ussually has the same people in it. Most of them are at 3.5-3.7k party rank and they are 3k-3.8k solo.

                    Your false assumption that a high rated player brings up the party rank of a noob player to the exact one the pro had without the noob is false.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FunAllowed View Post
                      >3800ish
                      >noob

                      I must be bacteria-tier.

                      I think stacks should have a limit of 2~3 to be able to be matched with solo queueing people. 5 Stacks must be queue'd in team matches.
                      5 stacks aren't always created by people that all know each other and all play competitively.

                      You could invite 1 friend to play and they may invite people you don't know and so on.
                      Even if you knew everyone it doesn't make you a team. I would hate to be forced into a team match when I want to play with one of my lower skilled friends rather than my entire team.

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                      • #12
                        Why are people complaining about 5stacks vs 1-2-1-1,etc. then? If that were the case, then it's no problem whatsoever.

                        Computers can't determine if a team can synergize well other than looking at RMM numbers, commendations (both can be highly inaccurate). It's technically impossible right now.
                        Originally posted by whiners
                        Help! <game mechanic> is ruining MUH WODOTA! Remove pls!
                        Fun is always allowed. Always...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FunAllowed View Post
                          Why are people complaining about 5stacks vs 1-2-1-1,etc. then? If that were the case, then it's no problem whatsoever.

                          Computers can't determine if a team can synergize well other than looking at RMM numbers, commendations (both can be highly inaccurate). It's technically impossible right now.
                          Name one group of five friends that have a worse time communicating than a bunch of random strangers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by F2P View Post
                            Name one group of five friends that have a worse time communicating than a bunch of random strangers.
                            Worse communication? Nah, doubt you find that.
                            Worse tactics? yeah, can be found.

                            When I play 5 stacs we dont' always sit focused and talk tactics and what to do, we just talk and tell jokes and what not, what you would do with any other activity.

                            been demolished as a 5 stack and I have demolished 5 stacks.
                            つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

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                            • #15
                              I don't particularly promote solo que, not that I care if it returns or does not, but if people continue to complain about stacks, it should have more of a positive benefit than a negative one.

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