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ABLITY DRAFT FEEDBACK!!

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  • ABLITY DRAFT FEEDBACK!!

    Hello Folks,

    Firstly, Let me thank Valve and the development for an awesome patch that came up with several beuatiful changes and new ideas. This proves that Valve care for Dota community very much and for this they will have my loyality.

    And I have something that I wanted share and hoping Valve developers take my feedback postive

    Ability Draft - I was very excited to test this mode after its announcement. Once the patch got updated, my first game was "Ability Draft"
    Honestly, Ablity draft is totaly fun. Its just feels great to be some hero and performing a complete different ability. And I had a tons of fun playing my first game, but over the period i have noticed few things in abilit draft may need changes and that could make this mode remarkable.

    1) No Random Hero pick - Yes, this is pushing us to play a hero that i probably never want to play. No offense but some heros i just done like them with no real reasons.

    2) Balance on heroes Base HP & Mana pool and Stats - YES. this is probably the biggest adjustment i am expecting to have a good balance in the game becuz right now all heres starts with their own HP, Mana and stats levesl, these heroes are build with those levels along with their abilities for a good balance but since now the abilitys are not the same its effecting on the game balance means sometimes the game is very one sided and its not balanced at all.

    Example, I was forced to play Riki, My invisibility taken by some hero. And when i had a chance to pick an ultimate.. I ended up choosing Enigma black hole. Since Riki mana bar is very low (considering he wont really use lot of mana for his original abilities), so my ultimate never have enough mana to perform means literally that ability wasn't usable becuz i dont have enough mana in mana bar even it is full, so i quickly had to rush building a blood stone to have good mana strength.

    And in another situation.. I was playing as brood mother and i was moving like a snail becuz she is born cripple with no web walking.

    And in other game, I was playing as Jug and i ended up choosing all magical abilites which is again pushed me into huge mana issues.

    So Please please please.. ABILITY DRAFT is a beautiful setup but it can make a game very very very unbalanced if there is different in hereoes stats when their powers are different. Imagine Riki with no invisiblity? He is probably the easiest to kill in the game consider his weak stats.


    Thank you
    ArcAngel
    ~ArcAngel~






  • #2
    That's the entire point of this mode, you just have to know how to draft to your heroes capability

    It's perfectly fine as is

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    • #3
      The mode is supposed to be played by expert players who doesn't just think about creating a good build, but first, tries to avoid the enemies to create an OP one

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tallywacker View Post
        That's the entire point of this mode, you just have to know how to draft to your heroes capability

        It's perfectly fine as is
        No you're missing a point. Here you are not able to pick your own hero. i see your point.. that one has to draf their powers carefully but the current is not letting you to choose the hero you would want to be.
        ~ArcAngel~





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        • #5
          Originally posted by ArcAngel View Post
          Example, I was forced to play Riki, My invisibility taken by some hero. And when i had a chance to pick an ultimate.. I ended up choosing Enigma black hole. Since Riki mana bar is very low (considering he wont really use lot of mana for his original abilities), so my ultimate never have enough mana to perform means literally that ability wasn't usable becuz i dont have enough mana in mana bar even it is full, so i quickly had to rush building a blood stone to have good mana strength.
          Your own fault. You just don't know Black Hole's mana cost or you let the game random your ability. Either way, you were being irresponsible. I have noticed many players like you that act like you've never played the game enough to qualify for this mode or to not be called a newbie.

          What you are asking for is unreasonable. What is reasonable is to demand that new players like you do your homework. You have timers in which to read up on abilities and ascertain the information you might have forgotten. Unless you have to read nearly everything because it is all new to you, this shouldn't be a problem. The only difficult thing to adjust to is the short timing of 5 seconds if someone takes an ability you were intending to take. That is unavoidable and as I see it part of the strategy of the drafting, and I'm okay with that. I think the drafting rotation is totally superior to the maps in Blizzard's old game.
          Last edited by hoveringmover; 01-31-2014, 01:30 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by hoveringmover View Post
            Your own fault. You just don't know Black Hole's mana cost or you let the game random your ability. Either way, you were being irresponsible. I have noticed many players like you that act like you've never played the game enough to qualify for this mode or to not be called a newbie.
            inb4 eclipse pickers without lucent beam.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by katsaroulhs View Post
              inb4 eclipse pickers without lucent beam.
              Pick Lucent Beam first. Problem solved. Your ally/opponent would have to be crazy to take your ultimate then. This case is a strong point because then you can pick your Ultimate last instead of rushing to pick it. If someone really wants to deny you your ultimate at the cost of denying himself an ultimate, less power to you both I suppose. I guess that's fair. Although I do wonder about that, maybe Eclipse will still work in this version as long as someone has Lucent Beam leveled up in the game. Of course, you can't just pick it up by itself in that case, someone would have to have the other ability first. I haven't tested this nor am I a regular Rubick player able to assert an opinion or further speculation on it.
              Last edited by hoveringmover; 01-31-2014, 01:36 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hoveringmover View Post
                Pick Lucent Beam first. Problem solved. Your ally/opponent would have to be crazy to take your ultimate then. This case is a strong point because then you can pick your Ultimate last instead of rushing to pick it. If someone really wants to deny you your ultimate at the cost of denying himself an ultimate, less power to you both I suppose. I guess that's fair. Although I do wonder about that, maybe Eclipse will still work in this version as long as someone has Lucent Beam leveled up in the game. Of course, you can't just pick it up by itself in that case, someone would have to have the other ability first. I haven't tested this nor am I a regular Rubick player able to assert an opinion or further speculation on it.
                I guess.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hoveringmover View Post
                  Your own fault. You just don't know Black Hole's mana cost or you let the game random your ability. Either way, you were being irresponsible. I have noticed many players like you that act like you've never played the game enough to qualify for this mode or to not be called a newbie.

                  What you are asking for is unreasonable. What is reasonable is to demand that new players like you do your homework. You have timers in which to read up on abilities and ascertain the information you might have forgotten. Unless you have to read nearly everything because it is all new to you, this shouldn't be a problem. The only difficult thing to adjust to is the short timing of 5 seconds if someone takes an ability you were intending to take. That is unavoidable and as I see it part of the strategy of the drafting, and I'm okay with that. I think the drafting rotation is totally superior to the maps in Blizzard's old game.
                  Are you kidding me?
                  Why are acting like you created the DOTA. Listen Mr. DOTA PERFECT OR WHATEVER. You didn't seen what was my postion.. I had given last chance to pick ultimate and there were only Dazzle ulti and Engima ulti left. I had to choose the best that can help the team i was playing. Yes, I am noob enough for not knowing that Riki Mana pool is obviously not enough to cast single Engima ulti. So what's the big deal. You should know that when you started playing this game.. You were probably as noob as me. You're no different than anyone else here.. If you're really that experience player you should mature enough to help people to understand better instead of opening your BIG mouth in this way.
                  ~ArcAngel~





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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ArcAngel View Post
                    Are you kidding me?
                    Why are acting like you created the DOTA. Listen Mr. DOTA PERFECT OR WHATEVER. You didn't seen what was my postion.. I had given last chance to pick ultimate and there were only Dazzle ulti and Engima ulti left. I had to choose the best that can help the team i was playing. Yes, I am noob enough for not knowing that Riki Mana pool is obviously not enough to cast single Engima ulti. So what's the big deal. You should know that when you started playing this game.. You were probably as noob as me. You're no different than anyone else here.. If you're really that experience player you should mature enough to help people to understand better instead of opening your BIG mouth in this way.

                    Dazzle's ulti wouldn't have been a bad choice.
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                    • #11
                      Point of mode is to not be balanced,this is mode for fun,only problem is that mode counting stats and lack of heroes skills.
                      Thank you IceFrog, Valve and Dota 2 team for everything you doing for Dota 2 community.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by katsaroulhs View Post
                        Dazzle's ulti wouldn't have been a bad choice.
                        Exactly my point. @ArcAngel, I'm helping people to understand you. You're just being a new player that should have stuck to Limited Heroes until learning them all, and then should have played AP/AR extensively, possibly even against bots some games in order to learn the heroes. Jumping into a game mode meant for experts to pretend to be IceFrog as a new player is the height of arrogance, and claiming that you know better than the designers in this case is preposterous. Just relax and continue waiting for the custom game modes like Pudge Wars or Tower Defense or whatever will come. I'm sure your opinions will be much more relevant for those games.
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                        • #13
                          The only thing I do wish is that the heroes were draftable too. Like there's 12 heroes in the pool and you could choose a hero, or the abilities as you can now. I know it's fun and all but some heroes are just absolute balls and some are absolutely ridiculous with some abilities and if they go before you there is no way to deny them and in some cases the damage control you can do is just not going to be good enough.

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                          • #14
                            I'd only wish they fixed the abuse of "on cast" abilities triggering with toggleable skills (like rot or wd's heal). It's the only really really cheap tactic in this mode.
                            There are other extremely OP combinations, but those require more than just 2 skills (read: they are very preventable).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by just.dont.do.it View Post
                              I'd only wish they fixed the abuse of "on cast" abilities triggering with toggleable skills (like rot or wd's heal). It's the only really really cheap tactic in this mode.
                              There are other extremely OP combinations, but those require more than just 2 skills (read: they are very preventable).
                              Yeah, part of the fun is to fight for the OP skills (tidebringer/enchant totem shenanigans), instead of being forced to counterpick mediocre skills simply because blue/pink picked it up.

                              I guess one thing I would like is some kind of nerf on permanent invis. Unless you ward the entire map, you'll get picked off repeatedly because the invis dude drafted 2/3 nukes and is also carrying dagon/eblade.. Broken combos aside, permanent invis is clearly better than every other skill, and blue (if he has brains) will always get it.

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