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Cant we just go back to wc3 finding match style ?

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  • Cant we just go back to wc3 finding match style ?

    I mean, we have a lobby , so why cant we go back to wc3's room style instead of waiting for a match with random people.

    it will be faster imo , and people can manage with whom they want to play and not some strangers.


    if someone really that bad and everybody kicked him out of the room , thats his problem not mine , why the fuck am i forced to play with him.
    thats what happened in d2's mm .

    because everybody just can play with everyone and everytime, while back in wc3, you just can kick his ass out , and we have a ban system back then, which is nice to stop people ruining shits.

    dont tell me to go back to wc3 , i love dota2 and i care , thats why i made this thread , because imo this system is far better than dota 2's system now.

    opinions...

  • #2
    Create a in game chat.
    go to community sids like reddit joindota etc and tell them about the chat.
    Make a online lobby and announce the PW in this chat
    wait for people to join

    etc etc etc

    I hope you get my point
    If you find spelling errors, you are free to take them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jan2011 View Post
      Create a in game chat.
      go to community sids like reddit joindota etc and tell them about the chat.
      Make a online lobby and announce the PW in this chat
      wait for people to join

      etc etc etc

      I hope you get my point
      while this do exactly as i want, you need to spam the chat to fill the leftover spots , and not all people interested in joining your lobby.
      and i dont know if i will get battle points that way.

      and im asking why cant we ? not to how make a lobby .

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      • #4
        Wc3 match finding was essentially the same, it matched you against random players.
        You're talking about public lobbies AKA arcade, which you have here too (create a lobby). There was no ban system aside from a community created banlist which couldn't enforce shit and was abused by everyone and their dog.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by d07.RiV View Post
          Wc3 match finding was essentially the same, it matched you against random players.
          You're talking about public lobbies AKA arcade, which you have here too (create a lobby). There was no ban system aside from a community created banlist which couldn't enforce shit and was abused by everyone and their dog.
          Which couldn't be done in Dota 2, unless you create tons of smurfs (yeah I know there already are).

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          • #6
            I think we are talking about open lobby here. open lobbys would be greate way to interduce new maps/mods like in dota1. People are already started to "hack" there way to use hammer to create maps for dota2 (best example is frota).
            But we still need an sdk tho :\ anyways.
            If you find spelling errors, you are free to take them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by d07.RiV View Post
              Wc3 match finding was essentially the same, it matched you against random players.
              You're talking about public lobbies AKA arcade, which you have here too (create a lobby). There was no ban system aside from a community created banlist which couldn't enforce shit and was abused by everyone and their dog.
              i prefer to prevent stacks from my solo career ,and i will kick everyone who made their profile private just bcuz i dont like it.

              compared to

              matched with 4 stacks while you r solo queuing and the others speak different language , and not be able to prevent stacks till the end of match

              which one is more random ?

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              • #8
                i prefer to prevent stacks from my solo career ,and i will kick everyone who made their profile private just bcuz i dont like it.
                Then go ahead and make a public lobby. And don't expect to get any MMR for a match where you decide who you want to play with.

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                • #9
                  Won't happen. There are lobbies for people who want to avoid Valves matchmaking, but that's it.
                  If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                    Won't happen. There are lobbies for people who want to avoid Valves matchmaking, but that's it.
                    Yes, but they are only visible to friends, right? Make them public, and let people choose what they want.
                    Spoiler: 

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                    • #11
                      The old wc3 finding match style sucked:

                      a) the stupid ban list, people shared that and some1 can put you there manually.
                      b) no way to control what game mode the host would chose, ofc game mode was in the title but when it all started you see them -arem stupid mode.
                      c) no way to prevent people from leaving
                      d) no way to know how good are your teammates, there was no data recorded
                      e) you would get kicked sometimes simply because of your nick, back in the day it was a must to have a hero name in your stupid nick
                      f) hosts that had lag
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                      z)THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about the old wc3 finding system. On bnet it was awful, so why miss it?

                      You miss the old league, in-game dota, we all do, but that won't happen in dota2.
                      Death created time to grow the things that it would kill.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KINGdmn View Post
                        The old wc3 finding match style sucked:

                        a) the stupid ban list, people shared that and some1 can put you there manually.
                        b) no way to control what game mode the host would chose, ofc game mode was in the title but when it all started you see them -arem stupid mode.
                        c) no way to prevent people from leaving
                        d) no way to know how good are your teammates, there was no data recorded
                        e) you would get kicked sometimes simply because of your nick, back in the day it was a must to have a hero name in your stupid nick
                        f) hosts that had lag
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                        z)THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about the old wc3 finding system. On bnet it was awful, so why miss it?

                        You miss the old league, in-game dota, we all do, but that won't happen in dota2.
                        a) Best feature ever. You can get rid of all those Russians easily.
                        b) I would be ok with that.
                        c) Yes, but in dota 2 with a similar system, people could get punished the same way.
                        d) Implying that with this shitty MM and hidden profiles, now you are sure if your teamates/enemies are good/bad
                        e) Perfect for kicking Russians.
                        f) A meter that shows the host's lag could be implemented in Dota 2. If it is too high, simply leave the game. But Dota 2 would not have that problem anyway.
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                        z) That is YOUR opinion. There is no reason not to have BOTH, and let people choose what they want. It could not even give rewards, I would be ok with that. If you are not, simply use the normal MM.

                        All I am asking is to make the already existing lobby system, public. Like it is in LoL.
                        Spoiler: 

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KINGdmn View Post
                          The old wc3 finding match style sucked:

                          a) the stupid ban list, people shared that and some1 can put you there manually.
                          b) no way to control what game mode the host would chose, ofc game mode was in the title but when it all started you see them -arem stupid mode.
                          c) no way to prevent people from leaving
                          d) no way to know how good are your teammates, there was no data recorded
                          e) you would get kicked sometimes simply because of your nick, back in the day it was a must to have a hero name in your stupid nick
                          f) hosts that had lag
                          ...............
                          ...............
                          ...............
                          z)THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about the old wc3 finding system. On bnet it was awful, so why miss it?

                          You miss the old league, in-game dota, we all do, but that won't happen in dota2.
                          Originally posted by KINGdmn View Post
                          The old wc3 finding match style sucked:

                          a) the stupid ban list, people shared that and some1 can put you there manually.
                          b) no way to control what game mode the host would chose, ofc game mode was in the title but when it all started you see them -arem stupid mode.
                          c) no way to prevent people from leaving
                          d) no way to know how good are your teammates, there was no data recorded
                          e) you would get kicked sometimes simply because of your nick, back in the day it was a must to have a hero name in your stupid nick
                          f) hosts that had lag
                          ...............
                          ...............
                          ...............
                          z)THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about the old wc3 finding system. On bnet it was awful, so why miss it?

                          You miss the old league, in-game dota, we all do, but that won't happen in dota2.
                          a.everybody dont want to play with you , and have put you on their list , so its their fault, right ?

                          b. you can set the gamemode from the lobby, how hard is that ?

                          c. tell me a way that can prevent people from leaving in dota 2

                          d. dota 2 have data , but some guy made it hidden , so basically this doesnt matter since i cant see anything at all

                          e. name could be changed easily in dota 2 , invalid point

                          f. we still use valve's server , not a private host , otherwise , dota 2 will have maphack

                          z. wc3 have all dota 2 needs

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                          • #14
                            I don't agree with "just going back" to the old way, but there's no reason not to have it in addition to "find a [ranked] match."
                            We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



                            merci fenix

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by erik-the-red View Post
                              I don't agree with "just going back" to the old way, but there's no reason not to have it in addition to "find a [ranked] match."

                              yeh sure but how many people would want to host the xx lobby of -AP -cm -cd -lp etc mode? ATM there is no point in adding it.


                              If we finally would have a map/script creator that you could host in open lobbys with a good search system that would be a reason to add it.
                              If you find spelling errors, you are free to take them.

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