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  • Coop bot games & matchmaking rating

    If someone plays only coop bot games until level 13, what matchmaking rating will he have? Is calibration games will determine it? What rating first game is going to be?

  • #2
    After you get level 13, you have to play 10 mmr calibrating games.

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    • #3
      His rating will be determined by how many games he won with the bot games. Then after wining most games, if not all, he will play in those 10 calibration games. In those games, valve genius idea will only "calibrate" the mmr he got by playing with bots, that means it will be changed, but not significantly, depending mostly on luck not skill.

      So enjoy dota 2 with 5k mmr with players that don't even know where roshan is.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by hector View Post
        His rating will be determined by how many games he won with the bot games.
        Do you have any source for your assumption at all?

        What is more likely is that his MMR will stay at his initial rating that he got when he created his account, depending on what answer he gave on the question about his previous experience.

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        • #5
          After alot bot games and without touching normal MM, you can start calibration with the average MMR ( which might be 3K ).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hector View Post
            His rating will be determined by how many games he won with the bot games. Then after wining most games, if not all, he will play in those 10 calibration games. In those games, valve genius idea will only "calibrate" the mmr he got by playing with bots, that means it will be changed, but not significantly, depending mostly on luck not skill.

            So enjoy dota 2 with 5k mmr with players that don't even know where roshan is.
            Please, stop spreading such rumors. You've joined various posts in the past, posting "information" without any source that are considered wrong at the moment.
            If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
              Please, stop spreading such rumors. You've joined various posts in the past, posting "information" without any source that are considered wrong at the moment.
              Oh .. my bad... next time I will quote Valve's blog for reliable source, here's one:
              http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/


              Dota 2 matchmaking has always calculated MMR and used it to form matches; in ranked matchmaking we make that MMR visible.
              That means MMR is and was and will be always calculated from the matches before lvl 13, it doesn't matter what kind of matches. If someone plays only with bots his mmr will reflect the games he played with those bots. Then, he plays those 10 calibration games which only "calibrate" the existing mmr, modifying it in the logic of +60 -60 instead of +25 -25 on a normal game. When you reach lvl 13 and start the calibration matches, you already have a MMR, a normal mmr witch is "calibrated" and transformed into ranked mmr. The 10 calibrating games aren't that important, the games played before those 10 matches weight much much more.
              Last edited by hector; 03-06-2014, 07:21 AM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hector View Post
                Oh .. my bad... next time I will quote Valve's blog for reliable source, here's one:
                http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/

                That means MMR is and was and will be always calculated from the matches before lvl 13, it doesn't matter what kind of matches. If someone plays only with bots his mmr will reflect the games he played with those bots. Then, he plays those 10 calibration games which only "calibrate" the existing mmr, modifying it in the logic of +60 -60 instead of +25 -25 on a normal game. When you reach lvl 13 and start the calibration matches, you already have a MMR, a normal mmr witch is "calibrated" and transformed into ranked mmr. The 10 calibrating games aren't that important, the games played before those 10 matches weight much much more.
                No, this isn't written there. It's not mentioned at all which games use the MMR. No one knows if bot matches have any effect on your MMR, just as no one knows if RAD has any effect on your MMR. In fact, bot replays are not stored, hinting that they don't count for anything.
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                • #9
                  Ofc, you are right. It's more logic to think that all the games played before lvl 13 with bots don't count, but instead what it count is, as someone very smart said above, the "answer he gave on the question about his previous experience. " ))))

                  I mean it's not like when you play with bots you gain exp and can reach lvl 13, it's not like you can play bot games and get yourself out of low priority in 20 minutes... you're right as always... "bot games don't count for anything".
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hector View Post
                    Ofc, you are right. It's more logic to think that all the games played before lvl 13 with bots don't count, but instead what it count is, as someone very smart said above, the "answer he gave on the question about his previous experience. " ))))

                    I mean it's not like when you play with bots you gain exp and can reach lvl 13, it's not like you can play bot games and get yourself out of low priority in 20 minutes... you're right as always... "bot games don't count for anything".
                    Being sarcastic changes nothing. The level is an indicator for how long you play and has nothing to do with your MMR. The blog post doesn't mention if bot games count or not, they're not logged (meaning, no replay available) and in fact the blog permanently talks about the balance between the MMR of Radiant and Dire - bots don't have an MMR. Apart from that it wouldn't make sense to adjust your MMR against bots because like I said, they have no MMR. No matter if you take ELO or TrueSkill, both system require the MMR of the enemy team to adjust your rating and that simply doesn't exist in bot games. It just makes no sense.
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                    • #11
                      Yeah hes simply wrong with his bot theory and it doesnt make much sense. I mean ppl would start abusing cheesy bot strats to get into high mmr, its out of question.

                      So far the most realistic scenario is that during the 10 calibration games every game before that is beeing ignored and everyone starts at virtual 3k RMM. Then depending on how well you play during the next 10 games, it goes down or up.

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                      • #12
                        How do you know bots don't have MMR ? "Please, stop spreading such rumors."

                        What it makes sense is that they have a matchmaking rating based on their type, easy, medium, unfair etc. Btw the blog post is, as many dota 2 system, a joke and full of crap.

                        So far the most realistic scenario is that during the 10 calibration games every game before that is beeing ignored and everyone starts at virtual 3k RMM. Then depending on how well you play during the next 10 games, it goes down or up.
                        That's already been proven wrong. People played stacked, 2 of them, all ten calibration games and ended up with hugely different ratings, search around and read my post again to find out how it really works.

                        I mean ppl would start abusing cheesy bot strats to get into high mmr, its out of question.
                        People are abusing co-op bots already.
                        Last edited by hector; 03-06-2014, 09:34 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hector View Post
                          How do you know bots don't have MMR ? "Please, stop spreading such rumors."

                          What it makes sense is that they have a matchmaking rating based on their type, easy, medium, unfair etc.
                          My friend that recently joined Dota 2 started with stomping Medium and then Hard bots. Then he started playing normal MM and was getting matched with newcomers. I don't think games that are not even counted toward your win rate and hero performance have any effect on MMR.
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                          • #14
                            Shut the fuck up hector.

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                            • #15
                              Even if they dont count, you're now elegible to play 10 calibration games , and your actual mm ratio should be the standar based on that your acc have no games registred on it, im not sure if the standar start point is 3k (thats realy low) i think the standart amount is 3500 to 3800 ,then after those 10 calibration games you will easly get into the 5k , there is a lot of smurf out there doing the same , so please stop acting like believers saying that this isnt true
                              No one knows how the mmr works even valve doenst know that. i lose 4 from 10 games and i get 4780 mmr after my last calibration game...
                              i got +36 points in one of my calibrations games playing broodmother the game end realy fast , and i end like 2/1 or 4/1 something like that it was like a 20 /23 mins game and gives 36 points? wtf
                              Then after losing a 40 mins game i lose -18 ... ???

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