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[Suggestion] Punish system really need a rework

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  • [Suggestion] Punish system really need a rework

    I write here because now Dota2 Team DON'T do anythink for improve this situation.

    OFC, We all now known about AUTO-punish system - report or leave and you get punish, BUT its really don't work properly.

    1) Feeders
    Now feeders = Leaver, and reach up to 6 punish games, but stop.... WHY??? This people ruin games for ALL SPECIALLY!
    Now: up to 6 punish games
    Expected: 60days account suspend, yes - you can't play normally, only with bots (and trolling their too) and can't trade or sell Dota2 items
    P.S. and need add additional triggers for this type of reports
    trigger (1) - buy lot of courier, yes - its VERY easy for scripting (ex. if somebody buy 20-30-40 courier and kill him = SPECIALLY FEED)
    trigger (2) - KDA <= 1, feeders usually have a score like a 0-10, 0-20, 0-25 or same, and yes - its ALSO VERY easy for scripting

    2) Leavers (not speciall)
    Now: up to 6 punish games
    Expected: 0 punish games
    P.S. need a doing additional Steam check, for example - if its Steam/PC/Network fault and people can't reconnect with game by tech reason

    3) Leavers (before battle begin or FB)
    Now: up to 6 punish games
    Expected: 1 punish games

    4) Leavers (highskill)
    Now: up to 6 punish games
    Expected: 0 punish games
    P.S. if you have a high skill, but all your team is totally noobs? for ex. your score 15-2-4, your team 2-14, 4-10, 3-9, 5-12 and etc. and you don't want play more with this shit, totally score counted as KDA
    trigger can be apply only after 20min of game time


    5) Leavers (specially)
    Now: up to 6 punish games
    Expected: 9 punish games
    P.S. no comments

    6) Mute System
    Now: you can't use only ping (up 3 times) and wheel command
    Expect: you can write only in team chat

    7) IDLE count as Leave
    Now: if you play on Lone Druid and use your bear with dagon, you can reach LEAVE
    Expect: add in-game chat WARNING message before count as IDLE (like a "Warning (playerName) do it somethink or you will be count as IDLE")
    P.S. Its too - very easy for adding, just yet another counter

    Thx.
    P.S. I hope mod. not close this thread, probally also make a mirror thread on joindota.com?
    Last edited by Axiieflex; 03-10-2014, 12:07 PM.

  • #2
    RIP English, RIP......

    This is why we need region locking in game. I am so tired of playing with people from russia, chile, south america, on US east servers. Cant understand them, and they DC every 2 minuets. Not to mention the open mic mouth breathing half of them do as well. Oh and almost forgot, the Report X because I lost my lane mexicans as well.

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    • #3
      Feeder's KDA point :stupid, A usual support rubick/cm would have upto 10-15 deaths and no kills, they will be banned?!
      I think we won't see any supports after today.


      second leaver pointkay, you know there will be a connection problem or steam problem (usually), why would you go for a game? use speedtest. com before playing and check if your ping is stable, also, check if your steam is causing lags (try spectating a game, and see if there's lag/freeze)


      third leaver point (before FB): now everyone will abandon before FB after they see a 2-3 russians in their team, and they will only have to play 1 game in LPQ


      fourth leaver point (highskill): no comment (really.)


      fifth leaver point (specially): 9 games is too much, 6 games is better


      mute system:you can flame only in team chat*


      IDLE count as leave: no critics
      Originally posted by brandon75689
      I played gyro and got 15 minutes, Phase, Magic stick, Drum, ring of Aquila, Bkb.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by [DD]fafa View Post
        Feeder's KDA point :stupid, A usual support rubick/cm would have upto 10-15 deaths and no kills, they will be banned?!
        I think we won't see any supports after today.


        second leaver pointkay, you know there will be a connection problem or steam problem (usually), why would you go for a game? use speedtest. com before playing and check if your ping is stable, also, check if your steam is causing lags (try spectating a game, and see if there's lag/freeze)


        third leaver point (before FB): now everyone will abandon before FB after they see a 2-3 russians in their team, and they will only have to play 1 game in LPQ


        fourth leaver point (highskill): no comment (really.)


        fifth leaver point (specially): 9 games is too much, 6 games is better


        mute system:you can flame only in team chat*


        IDLE count as leave: no critics
        no, no and no - usually support have a score like a 10-15-20 - then their KDA will be calc as (20+10) / 15 = 2, for example - if its really too hard game and support have a score like a - 0-5-7, any way its will be KDA more that 1
        + you need REPORT (its will not work without it)

        about tech fault leave - somethink Steam really take down and its Steam fault (not my ISP), also - before connection, Dota server can record usually ping/bandwith and checkup this

        Im think its will be really positive because its soft solution of problem "unqualifed MM system"

        about IDLE - IDLE also count if you not gain XP 5min

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Axiieflex View Post
          no, no and no - usually support have a score like a 10-15-20
          Not really... at least not intentional. If the solution to detect "intentional feeders" and exclude supports is this then you will see every game where supports ks from carry. What then ? Ban carry for having 1-8-24 after every support kill secured ?
          Explanations on the normal, high and very high brackets in replays: here, here & here
          Why maphacks won't work in D2: here

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          • #6
            I don't normally agree about the leaving. I think there should be some "intelligent" system, where if the team is losing by a lot, that there should be a vote system to forfeit the game like LoL I guess. The only problem with this is if you have good teammates that still wont complain, cause believe it or not, there are chances where teams come back if the team still has good morale. I've been in a lot of them, even in my early Dota playing days.

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            • #7
              Rofl at your 2 and 3and 6 and 7

              For 2 and 3 LEAVER IS LEAVER,,there is no my team is noobs so I can leave,there is no checking steam and network due to obvious easy abuse,and even if his sity lost electric power IDC he ruined game and he will get abandon,deal with it !

              For 6 and 7 , Mute is MUTE,it is not matter did you flamed enemy or teammate,if you did to anyone you will do again on team chat and flame team mate,you don't need anything more then what you have in Chat wheel and alt+ click on items,heroes...etc

              Just agree with 5 that leavers in general need to have more LP games to play.
              Thank you IceFrog, Valve and Dota 2 team for everything you doing for Dota 2 community.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Nomad View Post
                Not really... at least not intentional. If the solution to detect "intentional feeders" and exclude supports is this then you will see every game where supports ks from carry. What then ? Ban carry for having 1-8-24 after every support kill secured ?
                Need "smart" system for "Intentional feed" - usually its seem like a "sell all items and buy courier/wards" and KDA < 1, also you need report this player.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ranzou View Post
                  I don't normally agree about the leaving. I think there should be some "intelligent" system, where if the team is losing by a lot, that there should be a vote system to forfeit the game like LoL I guess. The only problem with this is if you have good teammates that still wont complain, cause believe it or not, there are chances where teams come back if the team still has good morale. I've been in a lot of them, even in my early Dota playing days.
                  discussion about "gg" for pub (aka unranked MM) isnt allowed, because Dota2 Dev team already make a opinion as "NO, WE NOT IMPLEMENT GG"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by glodar View Post
                    Rofl at your 2 and 3and 6 and 7

                    For 2 and 3 LEAVER IS LEAVER,,there is no my team is noobs so I can leave,there is no checking steam and network due to obvious easy abuse,and even if his sity lost electric power IDC he ruined game and he will get abandon,deal with it !

                    For 6 and 7 , Mute is MUTE,it is not matter did you flamed enemy or teammate,if you did to anyone you will do again on team chat and flame team mate,you don't need anything more then what you have in Chat wheel and alt+ click on items,heroes...etc

                    Just agree with 5 that leavers in general need to have more LP games to play.
                    6 and 7. Now mute system is really suck, and now you can reach 32000h of mute for nothing, also about IDLE - why not add this warning messge too? (lkie a disconnect warning message)

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