Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules

  • No flaming or derogatory remarks, directly or through insinuation.
  • No discussion, sharing or referencing illegal software such as hacks, keygen, cracks and pirated software.
  • No offensive contents, including but not limited to, racism, gore or pornography.
  • No excessive spam/meme, i.e. copious one liners in a short period of time, typing with all caps or posting meme responses (text/image).
  • No trolling, including but not limited to, flame incitation, user provocation or false information distribution.
  • No link spamming or signature advertisements for content not specific to Dota 2.
  • No Dota 2 key requests, sell, trade etc.
  • You may not create multiple accounts for any purpose, including ban evasion, unless expressly permitted by a moderator.

  • Please search before posting. One thread per issue. Do not create another thread if there is an existing one already.
  • Before posting anything, make sure you check out all sticky threads (e.g., this). Do not create new threads about closed ones.
  • It is extremely important that you post in correct forum section.

  • Balance discussion only in Misc.
  • All art related (such as hero model) feedbacks go to Art Feedback Forum.
  • All matchmaking feedback should go here: Matchmaking Feedback
  • All report/low priority issues should go here: Commend/Report/Ban Feedback
  • No specific workshop item feedback. These should go to workshop page of that item.
  • When posting in non-bugs section (such as this), use [Bugs], [Discussion] or [Suggestion] prefix in your thread name.



In case you object some action by a moderator, please contact him directly through PM and explain your concerns politely. If you are still unable to resolve the issue, contact an administrator. Do not drag these issues in public.



All rules are meant to augment common sense, please use them when not conflicted with aforementioned policies.
See more
See less

Probably the biggest problem with the current system

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Probably the biggest problem with the current system

    It makes sense that allies can do it, because you've ruined their game

    But in what world does it make sense that:

    ENEMIES CAN REPORT YOU

    Seriously I had a guy who was stomping my team being GODLIKE, die to my mines, lose his streak and go "FUCK YOU TECHIES I REPORTED YOU"


    I highly doubt that there is anyone here that can give me a good reason as to why enemies can report you, especially considering that in case of game ruin, the allies can report the player.

    It's single handedly the biggest reason why good players go to LP. Butthurt enemies just report them whenever they get raped. I mean sometimes there are players who take stomps very well and even applaud such as the example shown below.... BUT THEY ARE VERY RARE. Enemies just report most of the time




    Also as a bonus, according to the Steam Knowledge Base

    Why was I placed in the low priority matchmaking queue?

    Dota 2 has a number of automated and community sourced measures in place to ensure that every game is enjoyable for all players. A ban can be issued for any of the following reasons:

    Abandoning a game
    Abusing hero abilities
    AFKing or otherwise not participating in a game that you have joined
    Cheating using a script, cheat application, or any other software designed to give you an unfair advantage
    People are getting LP without even doing the above... shouldn't it be a bug?
    Attached Files
    Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 07:17 AM.

    Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

  • #2
    Dumb player should be reported asap.. hence the term competative MOBA. Sorry but there is a gap via new players and old players. Not doing your job in a team fight, via wrong ccing and you got yourself a report. See the mentality? Dota is about outplaying your enemy.. using 100% logic. If you cant handle it dont play ty. I always report players who do wrong ccing, wont allow carry to farm, support that dont ward, or even so put wards on the wrong spot.. there are forums and guides learn the mechanic before playing it . Yet i do get your point, still that's only 1 report, give me the game ID pls. If you failed as hard as i think that you did... you got yourself a manual report also.

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by PainIsMyGame View Post
      Dumb player should be reported asap.. hence the term competative MOBA. Sorry but there is a gap via new players and old players. Not doing your job in a team fight, via wrong ccing and you got yourself a report. See the mentality? Dota is about outplaying your enemy.. using 100% logic. If you cant handle it dont play ty. I always report players who do wrong ccing, wont allow carry to farm, support that dont ward, or even so put wards on the wrong spot.. there are forums and guides learn the mechanic before playing it . Yet i do get your point, still that's only 1 report, give me the game ID pls. If you failed as hard as i think that you did... you got yourself a manual report also.
      WTF are you talking about???? How is 20-1 with 969 GPM a fail? and how is that related to this thread ?
      Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 07:50 AM.

      Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

      Comment


      • #4
        its a counter measire to let enamys report you you build double divine if oyu die you lose 12.4 k instantly witch i woluld say would be a easy feat your enormous greed could have lost them the game no BkB either that blade mail on venoom could have killed the entire game if he manage to time it so if you got reported by enamy team its well spent here becuase who knows you could be in my team next game i odnt want a carry that builds a divine.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Poofighta View Post
          its a counter measire to let enamys report you you build double divine if oyu die you lose 12.4 k instantly witch i woluld say would be a easy feat your enormous greed could have lost them the game no BkB either that blade mail on venoom could have killed the entire game if he manage to time it so if you got reported by enamy team its well spent here becuase who knows you could be in my team next game i odnt want a carry that builds a divine.
          No

          I did lose one Divine due to Yolo which got picked up by Puck. I underestimated the feed given by Silencer, but then I bought 2 more.

          But what you are saying still doesn't make sense. If anything, the enemies would be happy for me, not actually angry enough to report. If I wanted to feed Rapiers, then there is no point and no reason for the enemy to report me since my allies could do it.


          There is no greed, just me making a fun challenge out of my weak ass opponents and getting a little excitement out of an otherwise boring game
          Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 08:01 AM.

          Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

          Comment


          • #6
            Let's not forget he is the guy who wonders why he gets put into LPQ because he afked LPQ games: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/90069687/matches http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=152534
            But when asking him why afking games wasn't the reason for that.

            I don't doubt false positive reports exist. But the chance of receiving multiple reports unjustified is very slim. It takes multiple reports across X games to be put into LPQ. I've never been put into LPQ because of reports. I even regularly play Meepo. (Also have an account that only picks Meepo regardless of team and enemy hero line up.)
            If he is so innocent as he claims to be and getting into LPQ is so easy I should have visited LPQ by now. Yet I haven't.
            James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
            * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
            Spoiler: 


            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
              Let's not forget he is the guy who wonders why he gets put into LPQ because he afked LPQ games: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/90069687/matches http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=152534

              I don't doubt false positive reports exist. But the chance of receiving multiple reports unjustified is very slim. It takes multiple reports across X games to be put into LPQ. I've never been put into LPQ because of reports. I even regularly play Meepo. (Also have an account that only picks Meepo regardless of team and enemy hero line up.)
              Let's not forget the fact that I've done nothing wrong so I'm NOT wasting my valuable time with "punishment". Also it doesn't even make the slightest sense that people in LPQ are able to report others, it just creates a retarded circle of people continuously reporting each other and never getting out. Imagine thugs in jail being able to report each other the same way, it just doesn't make sense and the only thing that it would happen is that you would go in jail for a 30 day misdemeanor, and end up staying there for life.

              Anyway in case of new accounts, it takes approximately 20 games of flaming to get your first LPQ, I've tested on a smurf. This might seem a big enough number but when you play multiple games a week then the equivalent number of reports is easily reachable just by normally playing the game. But in case that you've already received LPQ, it will only take 3-4 people wanting you in LPQ, to get you into LPQ again

              What about picking Meepo? Are you outrageously claiming that Meepo is a weak hero? You understand nothing if that's the case. If anything, Meepo is one of the top heroes in these last patches, check the EU leaderboards and see that all top 5 are frequent Meepo pickers. Techies on the other hand is a hero that can easily land you in LPQ both by your angry allies AND your raging enemies. The latter got me into LPQ even though I was on a Wicked Sick streak without dying once (excluding suicides)


              I don't give a crap if you judge me like an evil person. I don't really because I know I've done nothing wrong. But please refrain from going off topic which is ENEMIES BEING ABLE TO REPORT out of rage or whatever
              Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 09:31 AM.

              Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

              Comment


              • #8
                People don't like playing with Meepo. Especially when he doesn't fit into hero line up. I get threats of being reported for picking him because we already have multiple carries or because the enemy team has ES, Lich, WD, Lion, Xin, ???. Yet I haven't visitted LPQ.
                I didn't claim he was a weak hero. But according to your claim I should have visited LPQ by now. Meepo is in a similar position as Techies in a sense - I quote - "that can easily land you in LPQ both by your angry allies AND your raging enemies".
                You played Techies a few times. An account who plays Meepo exclusively has it much worse.
                And yes my allies rage a lot when I pick Meepo. Am I in LPQ? No. I also often "carry" the game. According to your statement the enemies have reported me plenty of times. When we lose I'm often the primary reason for the loss because picking Meepo while the enemy has an Ember Spirit is retarded or we already have enough carries and I am stealing all the farm (which I agree but it's a meepo only account).

                You get put into LPQ after being reported X times across Y games. You aren't put into LPQ after being reported X times in Y time period.

                Meepo didn't get strong because of the latest patches. He got strong when the level requirement for his ultimate was changed which was almost a year ago. The latest patches nerfed meepo because enemies are rewarded more for killing a hero with a lot of experience.
                James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
                Spoiler: 


                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                  People don't like playing with Meepo. Especially when he doesn't fit into hero line up.
                  I didn't claim he was a weak hero. But according to your claim I should have visited LPQ by now. Meepo is in a similar position as Techies in a sense - I quote - "that can easily land you in LPQ both by your angry allies AND your raging enemies".

                  You get put into LPQ after being reported X times across Y games. You aren't put into LPQ after being reported X times in Y time period.

                  Meepo didn't get strong because of the latest patches.
                  Wat. Dude Meepo is hands down in the top 5 heroes of the game. Especially because he even fits ANY lineup. Mid Meepo is awesome, carry Meepo is awesome, jungle Meepo can be pretty damn efficient, support Meepo can be great and control the map after level 3 and I've even seen OFFLANE MEEPO raping (though against trash obviously).

                  You have no right to compare Meepo to Techies (especially pre buff Techies). Again look at the top 5 EU leaderboard

                  It's not across Y games, but across Y time. I know many people that can confirm the same. Otherwise with 6k games you would think I would have atleast a tolerance for 1% games which I do not have.


                  Also another think that bugs me is the LPQ itself, I play one game seriously on my main and look what happens



                  ez as shit.jpg

                  No challenge, significantly worse than unranked (which can be pretty awful at times). No fun in playing even when I lost my rapier due to god awful RNG granting me many misses in a row and no bash while the PA got about 3 crits and no misses against my Butterfly
                  Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 10:35 AM.

                  Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Glad you deleted relevant sections again and talked past my point. I've never stated that Meepo is a weak hero nor that Techies is as strong as Meepo. I said the likelihood of being reported by raging teammates/enemies is as high as if I were to play Techies.

                    Seeing how you played Techies a few time vs an account that plays Meepo exclusively I should have visited LPQ by now.

                    It is Y games, not Y times. There are many reports here on the forum complaining about being put into LPQ after playing one game after weeks or months.
                    It is also backed up in one of the updates:
                    Originally posted by http://www.dota2.com/threespirits/
                    Changed low-priority penalty metric from time-based to games played
                    LPQ is a place where you play with other players who were put into LPQ. Maybe improve your behavior so you don't visit that place again.
                    James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                    * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
                    Spoiler: 


                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                      I've never stated that Meepo is a weak hero nor that Techies is as strong as Meepo. I said the likelihood of being reported by raging teammates/enemies is as high as if I were to play Techies.

                      Seeing how you played Techies a few time vs an account that plays Meepo exclusively I should have visited LPQ by now.

                      LPQ is a place where you play with other players who were put into LPQ. Maybe improve your behavior so you don't visit that place again.
                      And I'm saying that's total bullshit because Meepo is an awesome and versatile hero that can be used to climb your way to 7k MMR while Techies was an awful hero that causes rage just by using his abilities (and now is still mediocre). Whenever I play support I actually make sure everything is stacked in case there is a Meepo picker because once he gets his items up he is pretty hard to stop and I know many people do the same. The ONLY time I see someone reporting a Meepo is when they AFK and go 1-10 + end up 30min game without even finishing Agh

                      On the other hand, you pretty much see every Techies spammer going to LPQ on an average of 10 games

                      Why are you still in denial about this simple and obvious fact?

                      Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                      LPQ is a place where you play with other players who were put into LPQ. Maybe improve your behavior so you don't visit that place again.
                      What behavior????

                      I'm simply playing the game. This automated system just punishes you for playing the game the same way it does for actual game ruiners and feeders.
                      If you don't believe me just take a look at my 5 games after my last LPQ BM game. I only fed in the Brew game because I underestimated the cast time nerf on the ultimate and the enemy pretty much wasted everything on me on all fights, leaving nothing to use on the SF who raped the game. The following 4 games I won with good performances (the Necro one I even pretty much won it by myself solo) so there's absolutely no reason for my own team to even think about reporting me. This brings the purpose of this thread, enemies being able to report out of rage

                      Should I not win my game so hard that the enemies won't feel that compelled to blame me for their loss and they won't report me? That doesn't make sense, the matchmaking should just match my unranked hidden mmr to my 5k ranked mmr so that I actually play on my skill level rather than alternating between one sided games and games where I pick less impactful heroes but most importantly...

                      You should only be allowed to report your own team. NOT the enemy who is "focusing" you, NOT the enemy that is playing a tryhard offlane against your solo AM, NOT the enemy who is acting like a tryhard and blocking your jungle camps, NOT the enemy who is fountain camping you and most certainly NOT the enemy who is GODLIKE out of rage. Because all of these are part of the game
                      Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 11:47 AM.

                      Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Do you have reading comprehension problem? For the third time I didn't say Meepo is a weak hero. And I've never claimed Techies is a strong hero. You even quoted my sentence yet you put words into my mouth.

                        You twist your argumentation however you want it to be. First you say people report you for no good reason simply because they are raging. E.g. when you are playing Techies a few times. But an account that plays Meepo exclusively doesn't get raged upon? People rage at me more than when I am playing Techies. I don't flame. I still play and try my best.

                        What am I doing right that I haven't visited LPQ yet? Is it because of the hero or because of my behavior?

                        It honestly doesn't amaze me that you've visited LPQ.
                        James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                        * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
                        Spoiler: 


                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                          Do you have reading comprehension problem? For the third time I didn't say Meepo is a weak hero. And I've never claimed Techies is a strong hero. You even quoted my sentence yet you put words into my mouth.

                          You twist your argumentation however you want it to be. First you say people report you for no good reason simply because they are raging. E.g. when you are playing Techies a few times. But an account that plays Meepo exclusively doesn't get raged upon? People rage at me more than when I am playing Techies. I don't flame. I still play and try my best.
                          No. You are the one with reading comprehension problems. It's such a basic logic that stronger heroes don't get the "pick heat rage" as much as weaker heroes do. For the last time look at the top EU leaderboards, do you think w33 goes to LPQ because he picks Meepo? Hell no, he actually gets commends for that. He goes to LPQ because of enemy rage, the guy rarely even types in his games

                          And NO. An account that plays only Meepo is no different than an account that plays exclusively say PA or Morphling. Regardless of your experience about what you think it's true rage, it seems it's not close to being accurate to the average mass.

                          I presented the Techies example which is pretty much the clearest one in the game, and the simple fact that Techies pickers frequently land in LPQ. You just keep denying it so I suggest that you create a Techies only account or plain stop spamming my thread with nonsense and going off topic.


                          Edit: I'm really trying my best to get a discussion going on about why should enemies be able to report. If you keep going off topic on a witch hunt trying to justify my LPQ when there's not even a reason for it then some autist around here will do to this thread the same thing he's been doing to every thread around here and then it would give me the hassle of rewriting this
                          Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 12:05 PM.

                          Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            And you twisted it around again. Finally you acknowledge I didn't say Meepo isn't a weak hero.

                            From the forum results Techies frequently land in LPQ because of abandonment. Ofc they frequently land in LPQ.

                            You are wrong if you think Meepo players get less "pick heat rage" than PA or Morphling.
                            How high would the "pick heat rage" be if I were to pick Meepo against an Ember Spirit multiple times?

                            If you were put into LPQ because the enemy team reported you for killing them I should have visited LPQ a couple of times by now.

                            You also are put into LPQ even when you don't play Techies. You only played Techies once (on your main account) in your last 200 games. (You played Techies 4 times in total on your main account.) Being reported once doesn't put you into LPQ.

                            You are only looking for excuses as to why I don't visit LPQ while you do. "Teammates/Enemies didn't like me ." As if I don't have to deal with that. Why do people feel the necessity of reporting you and not me? That's a genuine question. Would love an answer here.
                            James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                            * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
                            Spoiler: 


                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                              From the forum results Techies frequently land in LPQ because of abandonment. Ofc they frequently land in LPQ.

                              You are wrong if you think Meepo players get less "pick heat rage" than PA or Morphling.
                              How high would the "pick heat rage" be if I were to pick Meepo against an Ember Spirit multiple times?
                              You are a true rock

                              I'm not even talking about low forumers. I'm talking about those guys at the top of the Dotabuff that don't even care about this nearly useless forum because they are too busy increasing their Techies rank. THEY land in LPQ a LOT and NO they are not dumb enough that they put themselves out of the game due to not being in experience range for 5 minutes

                              The same argument about your Meepo getting Ember'd can be applied to X carry hero getting Y hero countered. It happens even when it doesn't make sense, no reason to go further.

                              Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                              You also are put into LPQ even when you don't play Techies. You only played Techies once (on your main account) in your last 200 games. (You played Techies 4 times in total on your main account.) Being reported once doesn't put you into LPQ.

                              You are only looking for excuses as to why I don't visit LPQ while you do. "Teammates/Enemies didn't like me ." As if I don't have to deal with that. Why do people feel the necessity of reporting you and not me? That's a genuine question. Would love an answer here.
                              This is seriously going to be my last post wasted on you, any further badgering and I will just put you on ignore list because it's getting annoying.

                              I'm not looking at any excuses, you seem to be the one inventing reasons for me to go LPQ. Fact is I got LPQ for playing Techies after this game http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1102513006 I played MY game. I made the enemies waste soooo much gold on detection that's not even funny and I even got a rax solo. You can look at the graph, the enemy was dominating the first half of the game until the AM started dominating because of MY mines creating space for the team, after that the Mirana managed to catch up from her 0-5 feed and the Sky managed to catch up as well. The game was lost when the AM made a questionable play and died, which would've been fine because he had buyback, but the Mirana and the Silencer both did a 322 and died farming the woods against the enemy's more than predictable movement without having buyback, so even with the AM buyback there was no way to hold it 3v5. I played this game, not perfectly but I sure as hell didn't deserve getting reported.

                              I don't know your Dotabuff (nor frankly do I care) but I have been at times been playing more than 6 games per day, which leaves me really prone to getting reported. Don't whiteknight that volvo crap about it being reports per games and not per time because it has been disproved in reddit.

                              I have many games where my team just gives up and feeds but I keep the fight and get reported for it BY THE ENEMY http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1102060935
                              I have many games where I kill enemies in the fountain and the enemy rages in all chat saying they reported me http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1065795521
                              I have many games where I do a ridiculously high score and win on my own but I get enemy hate for "doing a retard build"/"focusing"/playing the game http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1063308698
                              I have many games where I get reported for "not defending" (by allies though) when it's pretty much impossible to defend 2v5 due to picks and feed http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1052354121
                              Hell the enemy even reported me in this game where I played like a madman (almost turned this all core team game into a win after a horrible horrible start, but the enemy rat was too strong) and they were unable to even kill me a single time when they shitstomped my team "fucking necro thinking you are good, I hope you have fun in LPQ" http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1038247640

                              It's impossible to keep track about which games have got me reports, but those I remember due to them being funny. Obviously I have no idea when an enemy just reports me and doesn't say anything in all chat

                              Hope this satisfies your query and that you can leave my thread alone. If you have nothing to contribute then just don't post. thanks
                              Last edited by Luffydude; 01-06-2015, 01:01 PM.

                              Simple and obvious things that should get fixed/added asap: SCOREBOARD, Ingame friend list, Different Ping for Roshan, Add Notes to Players, Accept Button while tabbed

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X