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  • Shadow pool being abused + suggestion

    Well, who would have thought that the abuser pool is being abused?

    People are abusing the shadowpool to play against bots or against bad players who abused to gain mmr so they can get nice vicory streaks or items (charms). People are literally stacking with 1 shadowbanned guy to farm their wins. I do sometimes have normal queue times (5-8 mins to find a match) which is pretty frigtening since it implies that a lot of people are abusing the shadowpool to get free items of those charms or want to stack up the victory streaks.

    Here are some matchids(excluding matches against bots):
    1275965999
    1275852588
    1270400426
    1270244914

    People even abuse the year beast mode with the shadow pool to get free items against bots. Basicially we got massive item farming going on here.

    I would suggest, instead of putting people into shadowpools and wasting perfomance (servers), also giving abusing people even more tools to work with, namely the shadowpool, how about you simply ban them like you do with external tools:


    It is simple, doesn't take perfomance, and most importantly, i would then finally know how long i am banned ~.~

    EDIT:
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1275965999 -> 4man stack, medusa shadowban, rest normal
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1275852588 -> chinese 4man stack, WD shadowbann, rest normal
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1270400426 -> 4man stack PA or SF shadowbanned, rest normal
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1270244914 -> same as above

    Just lawl, as you can see, those people are not shadowbanned, they simply stack with 1 shadowbanned account (probably on purpose shadowbanned for 2 days)

    EDIT 2:
    years beast abuse with bots: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1276138301

    Inbe4 claiming that i'm abusing this for items and such, no I'm not. I actually don't have a choice, if i had the choice between being 'shadowpooled' or playing normal games i'd choose being in normal game bracket and losing rather than winning every game and getting items.
    Last edited by Dirty harry; 02-26-2015, 03:12 AM.

  • #2
    So? Does valve care? Nope.... we could make some money this way that's it. Win win situation they dont care, we make money!

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    • #3
      EDIT:
      Missread your response, well i guess that's the mentality of most people in that pool, but i still find it ridicolous.
      Last edited by Dirty harry; 02-26-2015, 03:36 AM.

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      • #4
        How do u even get in such pool?

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        • #5
          1. They are shadow banned.
          2. If you are shadow banned you cannot gain items. (Not sure about Year Beast drops but back then it was stated you cannot gain item drops.)
          3. The games you listed were unranked so they didn't gain MMR.

          People get shadow banned by a) abusing the system (MMR boosting) or b) running multiple Dota 2 instances on one PC.
          James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
          * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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          • #6
            Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
            1. They are shadow banned.
            2. If you are shadow banned you cannot gain items. (Not sure about Year Beast drops but back then it was stated you cannot gain item drops.)
            3. The games you listed were unranked so they didn't gain MMR.

            People get shadow banned by a) abusing the system (MMR boosting) or b) running multiple Dota 2 instances on one PC.
            1. They are shadow banned. - Exacly
            2. If you are shadow banned you cannot gain items. (Not sure about Year Beast drops but back then it was stated you cannot gain item drops.) - Items do drop i got drop while being shadow banned.
            3. The games you listed were unranked so they didn't gain MMR. - i know a guy who used this pool to gain a 10k party mmr by stacking with shadowbanned accounts and play against bots.

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            • #7
              Volvo doesn't care until they lose money

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              • #8
                The only reason you are making this thread is because you are shadow banned. And high MMR doesn't help you in any way if you are still playing vs bots and you don't get a chance at appearing on leaderboard.
                James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                  The only reason you are making this thread is because you are shadow banned. And high MMR doesn't help you in any way if you are still playing vs bots and you don't get a chance at appearing on leaderboard.
                  I start to feel that you can't read properly. It is true that you cannot appear on the leaderboards with high party mmr, but it is enough to ruin games as there are people with 2k solo mmr and 4.5k party mmr. I've met a couple of those guys in the past and it was simply amazing how they don't even remotely belong there. I don't know if you are actually a known troll or simply very naive since i'm not very active in this forum but i do find it somewhat dissturbing that people like you are roaming around in this forum.

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                  • #10
                    Can you even find matches in ranked? Then the whole MMR argument would be invalid.
                    It will let you queue but you won't find a match.
                    James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                    * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                      Can you even find matches in ranked? Then the whole MMR argument would be invalid.
                      It will let you queue but you won't find a match.
                      yes you can. You do seem to want to talk a lot about it yet you don't seem to know anything about it. See the shadow pool as normal matchmaking with the only difference being that only shadow pooled users can find each other.

                      You can queue ranked, botmaches and events like beastmode with other shadowbanned users, hence you can use predictions and charms to get treasures n stuff because that also works. You mmr gets reset when you are shadowbanned for a long period of time, but those people who stack with shadowbanned users don't get their mmr reset, hence people just make 1 smurf and get it into the shadowpool to play against bots which are made by abusers to grind items, streaks, treasures and party mmr.

                      The pool is a complete failure and a waste of US West server ressource. Changing the punishmentpool into a normal ban system like you would recieve from the usage of external tools is a way better way to deal with it, since it doesn't allow abusers to abuse even more.

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                      • #12
                        Apologies that I'm not shadowbanned and thus don't know what the current situation is.

                        Fact is that in the past it was not possible to gain any items nor to find matches in ranked. That's why I said it.
                        So you couldn't farm items nor could you boost MMR in any way. This was confirmed by a dev and by other players complaining that they were unable to find matches in ranked while in unranked they were constantly being matched with bots.

                        If they changed it recently then you have a reason to complain. Unless you are making things up which happens often on this forum.
                        James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                        * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                          Apologies that I'm not shadowbanned and thus don't know what the current situation is.

                          Fact is that in the past it was not possible to gain any items nor to find matches in ranked. That's why I said it.
                          So you couldn't farm items nor could you boost MMR in any way. This was confirmed by a dev and by other players complaining that they were unable to find matches in ranked while in unranked they were constantly being matched with bots.

                          If they changed it recently then you have a reason to complain. Unless you are making things up which happens often on this forum.
                          You should honestly stop making assumptions like this. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about:
                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/714143275
                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/714198793
                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/726712179

                          3 examples of matches played in the shadow pool ranked with bots to boost mmr. And this is pretty much at the beginning when this pool was invented. If you claim that something is fact, then make sure it is fact. So far you try to talk about something you don't know anything about, which makes you not look very good.

                          If you have an oppinion, then that's fine, but you should really stop making assumptions left and right without any backup whatsoever. The situation is as i explained, i know since i am shadowbanned.
                          Last edited by Dirty harry; 02-26-2015, 03:31 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Just goes to show there are always people smarter than valve.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dirty harry View Post
                              You should honestly stop making assumptions like this. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about:
                              http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/714143275
                              http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/714198793
                              http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/726712179

                              3 examples of matches played in the shadow pool ranked with bots to boost mmr. And this is pretty much at the beginning when this pool was invented. If you claim that something is fact, then make sure it is fact. So far you try to talk about something you don't know anything about, which makes you not look very good.

                              If you have an oppinion, then that's fine, but you should really stop making assumptions left and right without any backup whatsoever. The situation is as i explained, i know since i am shadowbanned.
                              +1

                              The guy shouldn't apologize that he isn't shadowbanned, he should apologize that he's talking bullshit. Just my 2cnts of course.
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