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Wise Words to Dota Problems from Riot Game (Creators of Lol)

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  • Wise Words to Dota Problems from Riot Game (Creators of Lol)

    "Volvo plz fix report system"
    "Toxic Community is killing the game"
    "Smurf accounts have to be perma banned"

    This and others complainments about Dota 2 makes people rage (A lot!!) but what really piss me off(and i think im not alone) is the lack of communication and verbal responses from volvo,
    The never endless posts from loyal fans and the kinda "no reply" policy that rules this forums makes me feel more fustrated and quit this game for ever......

    But lets face it, you will come back to play dota, you are addicted to this, and you will come back and play again,then you will win matches, sooner or later you will rage,and maybe you will ragequit for 1 day or a week, then you are going to get back...... as a drug... Then you will realize that if you cant quit dota, you will try to make it better(perfect) and fair(At least for you)....so you end up here... posting and getting no reply from creators or news feed on dota 2.....

    Below is a response from a moba creator(riot games) to its community(specifically a problematic League of legends player), i think is the closer honest reply that a moba creator can respond to his loyal fan base(i like to think this is volvo speaking)..... be wise my friend and read something that can help you to stop having bad time ragging on dota 2.


    Penguinbashr,

    You're already a step ahead by asking for help. But the trick here will be how you follow through.

    If you're genuinely interested in improving then you need to take a step back and really reflect on why you play League of Legends or any other competitive online game for that matter.

    Seriously ask yourself: "Am I even having fun?" Be honest.

    To me, it sounds like you're not right now. Even though you admit to it, I bet you don't enjoy calling people "autstic ****s" in game. That sounds incredibly taxing and draining to get so worked up in every game you play.

    Chances are, if you're not having fun now; you were at some point. You have A LOT of games played since you started in November 2010. You've been through the irelia nerfs, the UI changes, the server instability, the OP Win Xiao release, S1, S2, and S3 championships and a great many more.

    If you're not having fun then reflect to figure out why. Why did you come to League in the first place? Do you have a favorite champion? You love competition? The strats and plays? Maybe an LCS Player or Streamer you look up to and want to mimic?

    From what you told me, it sounds like you enjoy winning. And you HATE losing. That's pretty cool. Who doesn't hate losing? If you're going to approach League from that angle, then you need to have reasonable expectations. You need to be honest with yourself.

    First thing to keep in mind: You win some. You lose some.

    That needs to be your new motto.

    (...)

    If you really think about it like this and then you reflect on your last month or so of games there is only one conclusion. The biggest obstacle in your League of Legends ranked matches is yourself. You're not giving the benefit of the doubt to your team mates. You're not understanding that everyone is flawed. You're not acknowledging that people are inherently good and want to do good.

    You can try to "stop committing toxic behavior", but if you're not going to get at the core philosophical reasons that fuel that toxic behavior you will never succeed.

  • #2
    Well uh...thats very kind of them to go and waste that much time to reply to an individual player of thousands.
    I dont expect that and I think expecting it is way too much.

    Tho I do not like that Valve wants to treat us assuming we are stupid.
    • "The report system is NOT automated" (they specifically said that in a blog post, and its their official position to the date, the report system is not automated). And what are they doing there? Playing with words. Its not TECHNICALLY 100% automated because it still requires player input (reports) But other than that its fully automated and it has been proved time after time.
    • "80% of the players who get muted totally reform after their first mute and they become teletubies and are never muted again, our system is magical" Or something like that was another of their statements about that system. They said that their system "Reformed" most people. And frankly....who says the community is less toxic now than before that system? Raise your hands!!!....
    • Oh and we cant forget the "We wont be having diretide or christmas events this year because we are preparing a HUMONGOUS super AWESOME and EXCITING update, we dont want to tell you but we think you'll be greatly surprised when you see our next update early next year ;3"....And what did we get from that? Frost wyvern........WOAH! OMFG! HUGE UPDATE!!!!!!!!(And thats even without mentioning when they cancelled diretide the year before without saying shit)


    So I dont expect them to have conversations 1on1 with each player. But making Sensible/REAL/non-lying statements that make sense would be nice.
    Last edited by Shmendrich; 04-08-2015, 06:25 AM.
    Make a NON automated report system.
    I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
    Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
    The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shmendrich View Post
      Well uh...thats very kind of them to go and waste that much time to reply to an individual player of thousands.
      I dont expect that and I think expecting it is way too much.

      Tho I do not like that Valve wants to treat us assuming we are stupid.
      • "The report system is NOT automated" (they specifically said that in a blog post, and its their official position to the date, the report system is not automated). And what are they doing there? Playing with words. Its not TECHNICALLY 100% automated because it still requires player input (reports) But other than that its fully automated and it has been proved time after time.
      • "80% of the players who get muted totally reform after their first mute and they become teletubies and are never muted again, our system is magical" Or something like that was another of their statements about that system. They said that their system "Reformed" most people. And frankly....who says the community is less toxic now than before that system? Raise your hands!!!....
      • Oh and we cant forget the "We wont be having diretide or christmas events this year because we are preparing a HUMONGOUS super AWESOME and EXCITING update, we dont want to tell you but we think you'll be greatly surprised when you see our next update early next year ;3"....And what did we get from that? Frost wyvern........WOAH! OMFG! HUGE UPDATE!!!!!!!!(And thats even without mentioning when they cancelled diretide the year before without saying shit)


      So I dont expect them to have conversations 1on1 with each player. But making Sensible/REAL/non-lying statements that make sense would be nice.
      Seems you got this from the wrong perspective .... Lol didnt reply each player.... they pick this player and reply him on PUBLIC, so others Abussive players will get a notion of what Lol masters thinks about this kind of problems... now valve doesnt even PUBLIC something about the hot topics that are ruin the game... i dont care if they reply this or another post... but people will know what happen and how they are doing to fix this

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      • #4
        The big update isn't the WW one, it's the Source 2 one.

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        • #5
          Nothing about

          FAST QUEUE OVER MATCH QUALITY - casual dota rulez, feed first blood, disconnect and jump to your cs:go or just fire up your smurf account - who gives a fuck it's just a game like the hint said

          NO SOLO QUEUE AND UNBALANCED STACKS - 2+1+1+1 vs. 3+1+1, 2+2+1 vs. 3+2, 2+2+1 vs 5 etc. it's not like this is a team game where numbers count...

          ZERO REGION OR LANGUAGE FILTER - let's dismiss racial/historical stuff, but how can you communicate when not even the alphabet matches? and how about the lag difference - we all know from the cs days that just one lagger will affect the whole server?

          CHEATS AND BOTS floating around for - months - scratch that, years! nothing changed with the removal of override-vpk, they simply updated their method, and that lua insta-cast shit is in every other game lately!

          SMURFS SATURATION - 5 times more than dedicated, emotionally stable players - ruining games for everyone, in every braket, but especially for new/inexperienced players

          MUTE SYSTEM - rewarding trolls and punishing good players (my own experiment proves that I receive reports back, while I've reported exclusively the top enemy player in the last couple months, many without a single all_chat line written!)

          NO COMMEND SYSTEM - sure there is a button, but it does nothing that would make the receiver feel as being rewarded

          FORCED OUTCOMES BY MANIPULATING TEAMS TO HAVE A LARGE RATING, WIN RATE, EXP HOURS, BEHAVIOR (IDIOT/CASUAL/TRYHARD) MISSMATCH - almost guaranteed wins for those on a large losing streak that might otherwise quit the game

          RETARD BOT SYSTEM - HoS does it so much better, there are 5 times more COOP games played there than PVP - many would use it instead of MM. The least Valve could do since the bot guy quit, add in the game tweaked alternatives to bots made by people right in this very forum

          NEVER ENDING BETA - bugs being ignored for years, close to zero QA/QC, crashes are more wide spread today than they were three years ago!

          NOT FULFILLING CONTRACTS - like events flops, model rework after tampered votes etc.

          I SHOULD NOT EVEN MENTION THE AWFUL PUB META SINCE IT STARTED TO AFFECT THE PRO WORLD, TOO

          You know, the stuff IN VALVE'S POWER to adjust, and the root cause of people getting "toxic". (Sure there is a quite large number of native toxic players, but they represent the same percent as in every human endeavor)

          So nice story, bro! now stop spamming it.
          Troubleshooting crashes
          Dota 2 Resources: autoexec.cfg reference / benchmark.cfg / Tweak it yourself (launch options, cvars) / useful batch files
          No-Bling GlanceValue & FPS ++ NEW! Panorama hotkeys NEW! dota_primary_mm_language_override NEW TOGGLE_QUICKCAST_TP.bat NEW FIX LEGACY KEYS YOURSELF! NEW Toggle UI Animations OFF

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          • #6
            Originally posted by aveyo View Post
            Nothing about

            FAST QUEUE OVER MATCH QUALITY - casual dota rulez, feed first blood, disconnect and jump to your cs:go or just fire up your smurf account - who gives a fuck it's just a game like the hint said

            NO SOLO QUEUE AND UNBALANCED STACKS - 2+1+1+1 vs. 3+1+1, 2+2+1 vs. 3+2, 2+2+1 vs 5 etc. it's not like this is a team game where numbers count...

            ZERO REGION OR LANGUAGE FILTER - let's dismiss racial/historical stuff, but how can you communicate when not even the alphabet matches? and how about the lag difference - we all know from the cs days that just one lagger will affect the whole server?

            CHEATS AND BOTS floating around for - months - scratch that, years! nothing changed with the removal of override-vpk, they simply updated their method, and that lua insta-cast shit is in every other game lately!

            SMURFS SATURATION - 5 times more than dedicated, emotionally stable players - ruining games for everyone, in every braket, but especially for new/inexperienced players

            MUTE SYSTEM - rewarding trolls and punishing good players (my own experiment proves that I receive reports back, while I've reported exclusively the top enemy player in the last couple months, many without a single all_chat line written!)

            NO COMMEND SYSTEM - sure there is a button, but it does nothing that would make the receiver feel as being rewarded

            FORCED OUTCOMES BY MANIPULATING TEAMS TO HAVE A LARGE RATING, WIN RATE, EXP HOURS, BEHAVIOR (IDIOT/CASUAL/TRYHARD) MISSMATCH - almost guaranteed wins for those on a large losing streak that might otherwise quit the game

            RETARD BOT SYSTEM - HoS does it so much better, there are 5 times more COOP games played there than PVP - many would use it instead of MM. The least Valve could do since the bot guy quit, add in the game tweaked alternatives to bots made by people right in this very forum

            NEVER ENDING BETA - bugs being ignored for years, close to zero QA/QC, crashes are more wide spread today than they were three years ago!

            NOT FULFILLING CONTRACTS - like events flops, model rework after tampered votes etc.

            I SHOULD NOT EVEN MENTION THE AWFUL PUB META SINCE IT STARTED TO AFFECT THE PRO WORLD, TOO

            You know, the stuff IN VALVE'S POWER to adjust, and the root cause of people getting "toxic". (Sure there is a quite large number of native toxic players, but they represent the same percent as in every human endeavor)

            So nice story, bro! now stop spamming it.
            Report!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by aveyo View Post
              Nothing about

              FAST QUEUE OVER MATCH QUALITY - casual dota rulez, feed first blood, disconnect and jump to your cs:go or just fire up your smurf account - who gives a fuck it's just a game like the hint said

              NO SOLO QUEUE AND UNBALANCED STACKS - 2+1+1+1 vs. 3+1+1, 2+2+1 vs. 3+2, 2+2+1 vs 5 etc. it's not like this is a team game where numbers count...

              CHEATS AND BOTS floating around for - months - scratch that, years! nothing changed with the removal of override-vpk, they simply updated their method, and that lua insta-cast shit is in every other game lately!

              SMURFS SATURATION - 5 times more than dedicated, emotionally stable players - ruining games for everyone, in every braket, but especially for new/inexperienced players

              MUTE SYSTEM - rewarding trolls and punishing good players (my own experiment proves that I receive reports back, while I've reported exclusively the top enemy player in the last couple months, many without a single all_chat line written!)

              NO COMMEND SYSTEM - sure there is a button, but it does nothing that would make the receiver feel as being rewarded

              RETARD BOT SYSTEM - HoS does it so much better, there are 5 times more COOP games played there than PVP - many would use it instead of MM. The least Valve could do since the bot guy quit, add in the game tweaked alternatives to bots made by people right in this very forum

              NEVER ENDING BETA - bugs being ignored for years, close to zero QA/QC, crashes are more wide spread today than they were three years ago!

              NOT FULFILLING CONTRACTS - like events flops, model rework after tampered votes etc

              I SHOULD NOT EVEN MENTION THE AWFUL PUB META SINCE IT STARTED TO AFFECT THE PRO WORLD, TOO

              You know, the stuff IN VALVE'S POWER to adjust, and the root cause of people getting "toxic". (Sure there is a quite large number of native toxic players, but they represent the same percent as in every human endeavor)

              So nice story, bro! now stop spamming it.
              modified lisst of agreement
              Originally posted by Typhox
              Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
              Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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              • #8
                dude you want less toxicity? less time wasted losing with flamers and bashers? more chance to come back? have more fun? more responsive dev team? sign up for HotS beta, yes I thought I'm addicted to dota 2 for quite long time until I got my beta invitation. near 130 games played so far, never looked back to dota 2, Honestly I have played 3 dota games since because an irl friend of mine asked me to. after those 3 toxic games (2 lose, 1 win) I felt confident that I have made the right choice. Dota 2 is for competitive players not for someone who wants to have a good time playing games for a limited time like me and 90% of dota 2 community.

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                • #9
                  It's not up to people to change their ways but for valve to say what is allowed.

                  Rehabilitating people is nice but can't expect players to play therapists. I am curious btw, don't take this the wrong way, how would you react if any kind of bad behavior would have severe consequences ? Would you feel unwelcome and leave or would you try to adapt, and if so why aren't you doing that right now ? Are you just weak ?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shahrooz View Post
                    dude you want less toxicity? less time wasted losing with flamers and bashers? more chance to come back? have more fun? more responsive dev team? sign up for HotS beta, yes I thought I'm addicted to dota 2 for quite long time until I got my beta invitation. near 130 games played so far, never looked back to dota 2, Honestly I have played 3 dota games since because an irl friend of mine asked me to. after those 3 toxic games (2 lose, 1 win) I felt confident that I have made the right choice. Dota 2 is for competitive players not for someone who wants to have a good time playing games for a limited time like me and 90% of dota 2 community.
                    Taking your advise

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pent1um View Post
                      Taking your advise
                      Im on HOTS now

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shahrooz View Post
                        dude you want less toxicity? less time wasted losing with flamers and bashers? more chance to come back? have more fun? more responsive dev team? sign up for HotS beta, yes I thought I'm addicted to dota 2 for quite long time until I got my beta invitation. near 130 games played so far, never looked back to dota 2, Honestly I have played 3 dota games since because an irl friend of mine asked me to. after those 3 toxic games (2 lose, 1 win) I felt confident that I have made the right choice. Dota 2 is for competitive players not for someone who wants to have a good time playing games for a limited time like me and 90% of dota 2 community.
                        I was considering HotS very seriously until I saw that they are going for the "LoL" model of buying heros and bullshit. Thats basically paying for advantage and thats bullshit in any game
                        Make a NON automated report system.
                        I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
                        Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
                        The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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                        • #13
                          valve doesn't seem to care anymore, with all their money made from the events and the compendium bullshit

                          they leave the game for the crows, it will lose it's fanbase sooner or later, when new games start coming out and people forget dota 2 ever existed

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shmendrich View Post
                            I was considering HotS very seriously until I saw that they are going for the "LoL" model of buying heros and bullshit. Thats basically paying for advantage and thats bullshit in any game
                            actually dota 2 has some pay2win elements too

                            crystal maiden's arcana has a faster attack animation
                            shadow fiends arcana tells you if you landed a raze (even on invisable heroes)
                            legion's dualblades have a faster animation aswell

                            but i agree, LoL way of buying heroes is so pay2play

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shmendrich View Post
                              I was considering HotS very seriously until I saw that they are going for the "LoL" model of buying heros and bullshit. Thats basically paying for advantage and thats bullshit in any game
                              Well I don't have so much time I play 3~4 games a day and I have 10 heroes already, there is free hero rotation too. not a big problem to me since the game is more focused on fun than competition. I'm having 10x more fun there, I'm still playing dota because I have some friends here no other reason to stay here.

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