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  • #31
    Originally posted by OnMyWay View Post
    First, and mainly - a variation of setting that would really work!
    1. If I select English preference - I don't get players with Cyrillic or Chinese symbols, regardless of their game client settings. I get players with Latin names, thank you!
    2. An option to select a "single players only" to not be matched with the stacks. You play 5 randoms vs 3+1+1 or etc., don't like it - check the option and you won't get these matches. Wanna play against stacked players - leave it unmarked.
    3. A selection of a side - Dire/Radiant/Random
    4. A selection for role/position you would like to play BEFORE finding a match - to avoid having kids going dual mid or farm (so many games ruined before even started). Select one or two roles/positions you would like to play and you will be matched with players who selected all other remaining roles/positions.
    1. Yeah, so hard to simply change the name to a Latin one. It's not like someone is gonna try to overcome this "filter" just by changing a name.
    2. People have suggested selfish filters like that before. They don't seem to be able to fathom the chain reaction that will occur in queue times when there is an option to completely block an aspect of the game.
    3. Why? Dire and Radiant have some pros/cons, so it should only be random.
    4. This will only cause problems. People will just choose 1-2 roles, and the rest of the roles will become obsolete. Not to mention that once more you are relying on people staying true to that. What stops me from picking support to find a match faster (cause 99% will pick mid/carry) and then just play some other role?
    Originally posted by OnMyWay View Post
    Second, the MMR should be get reset once in a while... It is flooded with smurfs and all that shit, all know that and you can't deny it.
    Nothing can effectively stop smurfs in free games. The game is free. I can make 20 accounts just like that.
    Originally posted by OnMyWay View Post
    Third - a decent report/punishment system to give the community a tool to be able to deal with bad players and intentional game ruiners, who have their rank abused or boosted.
    Yes, now you are saying something worth reading. This is all we need. A good reporting system with community moderation and all of the problems you mention before will be toned down.

    There is no need for 30 filters.
    Last edited by katsaroulhs; 05-21-2015, 03:45 PM.
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    • #32
      4. A selection for role/position you would like to play BEFORE finding a match - to avoid having kids going dual mid or farm (so many games ruined before even started). Select one or two roles/positions you would like to play and you will be matched with players who selected all other remaining roles/positions.
      I like this one, but as katsaroulhs pointed out, it can be abused. Supports will have 15-20 min queue time, and carry will have 5-10 = everyone will just queue for carry.


      1. If I select English preference - I don't get players with Cyrillic or Chinese symbols, regardless of their game client settings. I get players with Latin names, thank you
      This, and much more can be done and it's very simple. At this point, I just want to puke when I see someone named "xaxacykaprivet", all in those ugly upside down letters. I just don't want to play with them and I'm far from being the only one who feels this way.

      Third - a decent report/punishment system to give the community a tool to be able to deal with bad players and intentional game ruiners, who have their rank abused or boosted.
      I've tried League, I admit, but being a long time Dota player, it just seemed like a downgrade. However, Tribunal is a great idea for punishing idiots and rewarding those who participate in it. We could use that.

      -
      Also, not all leagues in WC3 were like that, Dota-League.com was my favorite place to play and if it was still alive, I'd still play it instead of Dota 2. It was similar to Dota 2 matchmaking ,but also different and I must say, better in many ways.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Haste^ View Post
        I like this one, but as katsaroulhs pointed out, it can be abused. Supports will have 15-20 min queue time, and carry will have 5-10 = everyone will just queue for carry.

        The exact opposite, actually.
        Supports will find games almost instantaneously, because of the amount of people that pick other roles will be much higher.

        Also as far as better moderation on reports goes, well never get that.
        This is why the report system is so bad - It's all automated. If we had a system like the tribunal in league, right now this game would be a different story.
        Valve have the worst support system in the games industry, I can assure you of that, and I doubt it that they will have/hire someone to just check reports 24/7.
        Last edited by mjauz; 05-21-2015, 03:19 PM.

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        • #34
          The exact opposite, actually.
          Supports will find games almost instantaneously, because of the amount of people that pick other roles will be much higher.
          Yes, I screwed it up there when I was typing that.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by katsaroulhs View Post
            1. Yeah, so hard to simply change the name to a Latin one. It's not like someone is gonna try to overcome this "filter" just by changing a name.
            2. People have suggested selfish filters like that before. They don't seem to be able to fathom the chain reaction that will occur in queue times when there is an option to completely block an aspect of the game.
            3. Why? Dire and Radiant have some pros/cons, so it should only be random.
            4. This will only cause problems. People will just choose 1-2 roles, and the rest of the roles will become obsolete. Not to mention that once more you are relying on people staying true to that. What stops me from picking support to find a match faster (cause 99% will pick mid/carry) and then just play some other role?
            1. I didn't say that it's a big deal, ofc one can simply change the name to whatever he likes, but those who prefer non-Latin will play with... with those who prefer non-Latin as well. It's not about some major change or improvement, I'm just pissed of by having a language preference option that doesn't work: either remove it completely or make it work - that was my statement, as ez as that.

            2. I can't get why do you think that this one is selfish, neither how it affects "aspects of the game". As you have mentioned, it's a free game - so let a player chose, and trust me, there will be enough of players who won't mark this option cuz playing vs a good stack is always more interesting at a decent skill level. On the other hand, I think all had the situations where 2-3 ppl stack just cost you a game. So I can't see anything bad about this or how it will affect "aspects of the game". When you play within a stack, you would prefer to be faced vs another stack, rather get 5 randoms for 20 min BG.

            3. What if one wants to practice a specific side? You say that this is a free game but you limit the meaning of "FREE", so why don't let people chose? After all, there should be a random option and it will be popular as well. And it's not a big deal in making such option, neither it will affect the game somehow. It's just that the players will get more of what they want to have in a specific game. EZ

            4. It won't cause any problems, instead, it should be made to AVOID them. Just think how many wasted games could be played well if you are getting a team that has all the roles sorted out, or only few roles to discuss. For example: 2 people select mid and ez-lane-farm/hard carry roles(or positions, whatever), is it hard for them to agree on who plays which position? As far as they have intentionally selected 2 roles/positions, they should be good with either they go, for the good of the team. In fact, this option will improve the teamplay aspect of the game, while atm it's all about selfishness and greed.

            It will help players to improve, forcing them to play different roles, learn all game aspects (not only I GO MID OR FEED) and self improve into a decent player, not a I-FARM-OR-FEED kids. I mean, you can still select like only a carry position, but then don't wounder why you need to wait more for it. All fair. If one wants to improve his skills and game knowledge, he will be playing and improving different roles/positions.

            While at the higher rank there should be more role/position dedicated players.

            And it should have a random/not-preferred option as well, for the players who would like to player either role the team needs.

            Regarding the queue time - the only ones who can anyhow suffer are the selfish and silly players, who play only one role. I can assure you that there are enough players for each position/role if only there was an option to select one or two you would like to play before queuing the game.

            Nothing can effectively stop smurfs in free games. The game is free. I can make 20 accounts just like that.
            It's not only about the smurfs, it's about the MMR itself - it needs to be reset from time to time. I think there's no point to explain why, all of it was discussed many times before my posts.

            There is no need for 30 filters.
            Don't have to be sarcastic here, all I've said were 4 filters: 1 that already exists but doesn't work properly (language preference), 2 simple filters (solo players only and preferred side) and the last one to improve teamplay for matchmaking (preferred role/position filter). Not 30, 10 times less - 3 new filters and there's nothing complicated about them if you are interested in making the game process better.

            To all above-said I would like to add one more thing:

            - The RANK should depend from the amount of games played (or game-time spend): a person with 3000+ games can not and should not have the same RANK as a player with 1000- games. So when the MMR gets reset - smurfs won't be able to get (calibrate) same rate as main accounts of decent players.

            As I stated before, all of these things are so easy to make that you can get a dozens of solid suggestions only from this forum. The thing is that there's no initiative from Valve to make the game process anyhow better...
            Last edited by OnMyWay; 05-22-2015, 02:31 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by OnMyWay View Post
              1. I didn't say that it's a big deal, ofc one can simply change the name to whatever he likes, but those who prefer non-Latin will play with... with those who prefer non-Latin as well. It's not about some major change or improvement, I'm just pissed of by having a language preference option that doesn't work: either remove it completely or make it work - that was my statement, as ez as that.

              2. I can't get why do you think that this one is selfish, neither how it affects "aspects of the game". As you have mentioned, it's a free game - so let a player chose, and trust me, there will be enough of players who won't mark this option cuz playing vs a good stack is always more interesting at a decent skill level. On the other hand, I think all had the situations where 2-3 ppl stack just cost you a game. So I can't see anything bad about this or how it will affect "aspects of the game". When you play within a stack, you would prefer to be faced vs another stack, rather get 5 randoms for 20 min BG.

              3. What if one wants to practice a specific side? You say that this is a free game but you limit the meaning of "FREE", so why don't let people chose? After all, there should be a random option and it will be popular as well. And it's not a big deal in making such option, neither it will affect the game somehow. It's just that the players will get more of what they want to have in a specific game. EZ

              4. It won't cause any problems, instead, it should be made to AVOID them. Just think how many wasted games could be played well if you are getting a team that has all the roles sorted out, or only few roles to discuss. For example: 2 people select mid and ez-lane-farm/hard carry roles(or positions, whatever), is it hard for them to agree on who plays which position? As far as they have intentionally selected 2 roles/positions, they should be good with either they go, for the good of the team. In fact, this option will improve the teamplay aspect of the game, while atm it's all about selfishness and greed.

              It will help players to improve, forcing them to play different roles, learn all game aspects (not only I GO MID OR FEED) and self improve into a decent player, not a I-FARM-OR-FEED kids. I mean, you can still select like only a carry position, but then don't wounder why you need to wait more for it. All fair. If one wants to improve his skills and game knowledge, he will be playing and improving different roles/positions.

              While at the higher rank there should be more role/position dedicated players.

              And it should have a random/not-preferred option as well, for the players who would like to player either role the team needs.

              Regarding the queue time - the only ones who can anyhow suffer are the selfish and silly players, who play only one role. I can assure you that there are enough players for each position/role if only there was an option to select one or two you would like to play before queuing the game.


              It's not only about the smurfs, it's about the MMR itself - it needs to be reset from time to time. I think there's no point to explain why, all of it was discussed many times before my posts.


              Don't have to be sarcastic here, all I've said were 4 filters: 1 that already exists but doesn't work properly (language preference), 2 simple filters (solo players only and preferred side) and the last one to improve teamplay for matchmaking (preferred role/position filter). Not 30, 10 times less - 3 new filters and there's nothing complicated about them if you are interested in making the game process better.

              To all above-said I would like to add one more thing:

              - The RANK should depend from the amount of games played (or game-time spend): a person with 3000+ games can not and should not have the same RANK as a player with 1000- games. So when the MMR gets reset - smurfs won't be able to get (calibrate) same rate as main accounts of decent players.

              As I stated before, all of these things are so easy to make that you can get a dozens of solid suggestions only from this forum. The thing is that there's no initiative from Valve to make the game process anyhow better...
              Very good post dude, reflects exactly what I've been saying for years now on this forum. Sadly, you will get a total of 10 people (residing 24/7 on this forum) that will bash you and nitpick everything you suggest. It isn't worth discussing new ideas here because these people ruin it.
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              • #37
                OnMyWay, nobody from the developer team cares about what you or any of us have to say on the matter. I sincerely advice you to use your free time on anything else than trying to help the devs improve this system since they don't read anything on these boards and they don't give a fvck about our game experience either.. don't waste your time on EA 2.


                edit: ironic, chinese gold seller spams get locked way slower than MM complaints on this board! That's another thing that says EVERYTHING about this company!
                Last edited by gorno; 05-22-2015, 03:53 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by gorno View Post
                  OnMyWay, nobody from the developer team cares about what you or any of us have to say on the matter. I sincerely advice you to use your free time on anything else than trying to help the devs improve this system since they don't read anything on these boards and they don't give a fvck about our game experience either.. don't waste your time on EA 2.


                  edit: ironic, chinese gold seller spams get locked way slower than MM complaints on this board! That's another thing that says EVERYTHING about this company!
                  I know about it, it's just that I had nothing to do (sharing thoughts is better than playing that crap) and I was challenged to tell what I could have done or STFU like a winning kid... so I chose 1st)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by OnMyWay View Post
                    I know about it, it's just that I had nothing to do (sharing thoughts is better than playing that crap) and I was challenged to tell what I could have done or STFU like a winning kid... so I chose 1st)
                    Every game has fan boys that will systematically defend whatever the developer company says and does.

                    Time ago when Dota 2 was still beta, everyone was demanding for a forfeit feature, and fan boys came up with the theory that FF was not available because Valve needed to test the application in real matches as much as possible, and FFing would prevent that. 2 years later and still no FF option, but you bet fan boys already found another justification for that.

                    So the lesson learned is better ignoring fan boys unless you want to laugh for a while.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pent1um View Post
                      Every game has fan boys that will systematically defend whatever the developer company says and does.

                      Time ago when Dota 2 was still beta, everyone was demanding for a forfeit feature, and fan boys came up with the theory that FF was not available because Valve needed to test the application in real matches as much as possible, and FFing would prevent that. 2 years later and still no FF option, but you bet fan boys already found another justification for that.

                      So the lesson learned is better ignoring fan boys unless you want to laugh for a while.
                      The fact is that when the game will became unplayable, these "fan boys" will the first ones to leave)
                      Don't care about those silly kids anyway...

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                      • #41
                        Just leave the game if you don't like it. The less players it has, the more the developers will realize how shitty it is.

                        Less players -> less compendiums -> less money income -> the need to improve the quality of the game increases, to gain a bigger playerbase for more possible compendiums -> the game will get changed -> the report system will (hopefully) get changed

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                        • #42
                          It could always be worse. Dota 2 has a rare quality over other free to play games - it's not pay to win. I don't think MM system needs improvement in a sense to make it easier to get high MMR, but it is shitty when you get matched with people who are 3k MMR below you.

                          I'm STILL hoping for region locks, we need to banish all the cancer from Europe servers.

                          When I decide to play public mm once in a while, I DON'T WANT TO get matched with people who have 1-100 wins on their account.

                          I always agree with better and harsher punishment system. Leaving, game ruining, flaming gets unpunished in most cases, and when it does it's nothing. 2 games in low priority, play some shitty mode and get over with it in less than an hour.

                          And if I queue for solo, I want to get matched with 9 other solo players. So sick of getting two butt boys picking their "uber combos" and sucking hard.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by wolf633 View Post
                            Just leave the game if you don't like it. The less players it has, the more the developers will realize how shitty it is.

                            Less players -> less compendiums -> less money income -> the need to improve the quality of the game increases, to gain a bigger playerbase for more possible compendiums -> the game will get changed -> the report system will (hopefully) get changed
                            ATM I'm not playing as much as I used to and I won't add any funds until they do something real for the game itself.

                            I hope TI prize pool won't to 10kk, otherwise, this community is too stupid to get any decent changes...

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                            • #44
                              I agree. My experience with solo matchmaking has not been an enjoyable one (I play SEA server exclusively, in the low 2k-3k MMR range). I care less about raising my MMR than I do about consistent game quality.

                              I want a pay to play mode (monthly subscription) that is heavily moderated and quality controlled. If you break the rules, you are out and lose your service fee (no more getting harassed for owning arcana items, or flamed while playing etc.). Player feedback reports would be cool, aka performance/improvement tips, etc.. Advanced matchmaking features (like being able to pick your role, mid/carry/support/off-laner before even queuing up for a match) and some helpful tools for 2K-4K bracket players who aren't going pro any time soon but would like to find/build an amateur team to practice with and enjoy the game in a way that just isn't consistently possible with solo queue. A proper concede feature. A referee/live mod system would be awesome (again pay to play mode, whatever it costs to support such a thing). If this ever came out, I would jump at it and play it exclusively if it were done right.

                              Sorry, I'm not happy with the quality of DOTA from the perspective of a solo-queue player who's bought more than enough compendiums, couriers, announcers and arcanas. I'm close to selling all the stuff on marketplace and trading it in for a bunch of indie games, maybe come back once in a while to see if things are improved (because I love the actual game itself) but otherwise, yeah, paying customer, and not very happy overall.
                              Last edited by Jettatore; 05-22-2015, 11:23 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jettatore View Post
                                I agree. My experience with solo matchmaking has not been an enjoyable one (I play SEA server exclusively, in the low 2k-3k MMR range). I care less about raising my MMR than I do about consistent game quality.

                                I want a pay to play mode (monthly subscription) that is heavily moderated and quality controlled. If you break the rules, you are out and lose your service fee (no more getting harassed for owning arcana items, or flamed while playing etc.). Player feedback reports would be cool, aka performance/improvement tips, etc.. Advanced matchmaking features (like being able to pick your role, mid/carry/support/off-laner before even queuing up for a match) and some helpful tools for 2K-4K bracket players who aren't going pro any time soon but would like to find/build an amateur team to practice with and enjoy the game in a way that just isn't consistently possible with solo queue. A proper concede feature. A referee/live mod system would be awesome (again pay to play mode, whatever it costs to support such a thing). If this ever came out, I would jump at it and play it exclusively if it were done right.

                                Sorry, I'm not happy with the quality of DOTA from the perspective of a solo-queue player who's bought more than enough compendiums, couriers, announcers and arcanas. I'm close to selling all the stuff on marketplace and trading it in for a bunch of indie games, maybe come back once in a while to see if things are improved (because I love the actual game itself) but otherwise, yeah, paying customer, and not very happy overall.
                                Don't fool yourself. Valve may actually seek that. Problem is not that the game is free and needs a premium paid alternative. Problem is that Valve deliberately doesn't spend the money they get from us where is needed. I wouldn't be surprised to know they fired some developers and game designers, including their MM and reports experts, and hire 3 or more 180K marketing gurus or 1 240K project manager.

                                If we ever have a premium service, I can imagine how they would publish a "case study" on how even when the game was free, surprisingly and spontaneously people asked to pay money for it.

                                There used to be very good free community-supported sites and programs to play Dota 1 in Internet like Dotalicious. It's just that Valve doesn't care at all.

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