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  • #16
    Originally posted by DIFTOW View Post
    Matchmaking clearly uses the wrong data to determine balance.
    Rofl
    There is no data or system at all.
    U should know that by now.
    Its Valve,not bliz.

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    • #17
      I love the argument of "Your 800 games where every one was ruined by trolls mean nothing and did not happen b/c in 10k games they are not all ruined"

      If it happens in excess to even A SINGLE PLAYER the system is broken, NO ONE should be getting excessive, let alone CONSTANT trolling in games, let alone 30-50 games a week, that's insane.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TheTruuth View Post
        I love the argument of "Your 800 games where every one was ruined by trolls mean nothing and did not happen b/c in 10k games they are not all ruined"

        If it happens in excess to even A SINGLE PLAYER the system is broken, NO ONE should be getting excessive, let alone CONSTANT trolling in games, let alone 30-50 games a week, that's insane.
        it's not insane at all, it's actually basically a guarantee if you understand how probability works.
        Spoiler: 
        I guard the rear.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Assguard View Post
          it's not insane at all, it's actually basically a guarantee if you understand how probability works.
          Okay, let me try a different angle of comparison, b/c I can only guess you are confused (or you are a troll, but I'd rather believe you want to help over you are part of the problem)

          A coin has 2 sides. Both should happen the same 50% side a 50% side b. We both agree on this. I flip the coin 800 times. Get side b 799 times. You say can't be possible, I am wrong, blah blah troll troll, b/c someone else rolled a 6 sided die, and got 4-6 95% of the time.

          LOTS of people have this problem, not just me. Just b/c you are lucky or maybe you are not UNLUCKY you assume it does not happen or that it's not broken. It clearly is.And I've seen plenty of those "cases" where "pros" have "climbed" out. Never seen anyone start less then 3.5k which is a far greater mmr then trolls will let me get to. My 5/5 seeder games (I won 5 in a row, then got 5 intentional feeders in a row, which started this all) placed me at under 3k back when Ranked launched. And even though I have a nearly over a 45% win rate, i've still fallen from nearly 30% of my starting mmr, which I would agrue is a FAR bigger problem. A 50% winrate should mean your mmr does not change, and should idealy be what the system wants, but when a 45% win rate equates to a 30% fall in TOTAL mmr, that's a bit stupid. The fact that 75% of my wins give 23-24 mmr, NEVER lost less then 25, often lose 27.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Assguard View Post
            it's not insane at all, it's actually basically a guarantee if you understand how probability works.
            If you think something works one way, and people have proof it is working another, how can it be broken?

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            • #21
              Okay so your example is flawed because it's not at all what I'm talking about, this example is closer to what i mean. Imagine that across one year, you have an 0.5% chance to get hit by a car. Now in ten years, your chances will be higher because the chance adds to itself the more times it's repeated. Now imagine instead of days going by, it's a match of dota. With all the variables added, it's not so crazy something like you describe could happen.
              Spoiler: 
              I guard the rear.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Assguard View Post
                Okay so your example is flawed because it's not at all what I'm talking about, this example is closer to what i mean. Imagine that across one year, you have an 0.5% chance to get hit by a car. Now in ten years, your chances will be higher because the chance adds to itself the more times it's repeated. Now imagine instead of days going by, it's a match of dota. With all the variables added, it's not so crazy something like you describe could happen.
                Okay so now imagine hidden pool and false reporting exist, which they do. Your first game you get unlucky get trolled, now the changes double, then again you get unlucky, they double, soon enough all you can get is toxic people causing you to get more toxic people causing you to get more toxic people. And you have proof you are muted, didn't feed, didn't ability abuse 4 stacks still rage reports you, you get them again, they do it again, you get low prio, fucked for life. Takes you 30 games to leave low prio b/c toxic kids are toxic and I got an intentional feeder on my team in all 30, and several "wins" the enemy team all left to deny us the win. Now you are out, but the system says you need a super small number of reports to go back, since you can only find trolls at this point b/c of the number of trolls you've found. YOu get a game, you are muted, don't feed, don't ability abuse, troll duo stack reports you anyways, so does a single stack b/c join the blame report train, they say you hate speeched in all chat, enemy team believes, they report (this has happened a seriously silly number of times to me......like can we get a please don't believe their lies all chat option?.....) now you are in low prio again b/c the system says "Wow man, this guy just got out, got reported my most of the people in that match, we are not gonna check that he is muted and CAN'T comm abuse so well just Lp and mute longer)


                Something I implore you to keep in mind in well with me and the many others to explain this problem, we are having it. It's horrible, and having people tell you it's not happening is very aggravating and can make many lose their cool and come off more angry or unreasonable.

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                • #23
                  "Imagine hidden pool exists"
                  Spoiler: 
                  I guard the rear.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Assguard View Post
                    "Imagine hidden pool exists"
                    However you wanna phrase it, valves has stated, (correct me if I am wrong) that like players get put together, aka hidden match making pools

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                    • #25
                      That can be interpreted in more than one way. Regardless, there is no real proof hidden pool exists the way you think it does.
                      Spoiler: 
                      I guard the rear.

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                      • #26
                        There is more than enough examples and "experiments" to show hidden pool exists. There is enough math and enough response from Valve to be surprised that there are actually still people who say hidden pool doesn't exist. More or less accurate description of how hidden pool works can be found on official forum. And knowing that matches are sometimes really onesided, hidden pool just explains why.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BJSV View Post
                          There is more than enough examples and "experiments" to show hidden pool exists. There is enough math and enough response from Valve to be surprised that there are actually still people who say hidden pool doesn't exist. More or less accurate description of how hidden pool works can be found on official forum. And knowing that matches are sometimes really onesided, hidden pool just explains why.
                          Oh just wait till a certain weebo sees this. Now you've done it mate, now you've done it.
                          https://soundcloud.com/blinkingriki182

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BJSV View Post
                            There is more than enough examples and "experiments" to show hidden pool exists. There is enough math and enough response from Valve to be surprised that there are actually still people who say hidden pool doesn't exist. More or less accurate description of how hidden pool works can be found on official forum. And knowing that matches are sometimes really onesided, hidden pool just explains why.
                            If people are still truly lucky enough to believe hidden pools don't exist/things are working, then why don't valve just reset shit? We need an mmr reset extremely bad anyways, hard reset all system, if they are working as intended, then VERY QUICKLY the toxic trash should be where it belongs and those falsely put there should not return

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