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  • No longer having fun - Another Matchmaking Complaint

    Playing unranked (because I'm not going to play daily hero challenge in ranked) is the most unfun I have had for the past two months.

    Matchmaking is supposed to lead to balanced games. My games have been anything but. I have been getting paired with the worst of the worst as of late, and the opponent is always competent and crushes us.

    I have seen: echo sabre on clinkz and invoker, dagon rush furion, dragon lance scepter, hurricane pike ogre, feeder meepo mid (same guy several times), enemy alch fed radiance in 8 minutes, and countless other horror stories. And of course, 90% of the time everyone is a douchebag as well.

    On rare occasions, among all the losses, there is sprinkled an occasional lopsided win, but I don't even have any fun winning those because it's such a blowout, as if there isn't even an opponent. But mostly, it is losses with some incredible trash.

    I don't understand the matchmaking system and why I continually get paired with the players I get, why I am continually paired with opponents who are better at the game than my team - they're always coordinated and on point.

    I've gone several months now like this, and I would like to imagine I am not whining. My recent games is largely composed of losses.

    I get home from work and want to play a few games of dota, and it is so beyond comprehension. The game is totally unfun, I go to bed feeling miserable, and I can't take it.

    Please, if I could have any insight, even to what might be causing this on my account and what steps I can take to improve the quality of my matches. You're about to lose someone who is gainfully employed and spends thousands of dollars on this game. I'm not asking you to put me where I don't belong, I am asking you to just tell me what I can do to improve whatever hidden variables are pairing me with shitty players. I can't take it anymore. It's shit and I feel like the matchmaking system is intentionally designed to drive certain players away by making their experience miserable, and I feel like I've fallen in that hole.

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    The system is supposed to make "even" fights but it is consistently paring me with bad players against good players, and my winrate over the past while is something around 33%. There is nothing I can do with some of the teammates I get stuck with. What is wrong with my account that the matchmaking thinks this is an even paring, to keep giving me slobbering morons against coordinated teams?

    I'm not just whining because of one game, this is a statistically significant trend. The matchmaking system is going out of its way to fuck me over, and I'm about to quit. Is this intended? I almost feel like maybe I got reported one too many times and so Valve decided to just pair me with the worst elements until I quit.

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    • #3
      First of all, don't take it too seriously. Just played a 5 carry match , 2 of them went jungle, and the AM went mid. The first 40 minutes, they enemy team owned us and mocked until they got too confident, went Rambo mode and fed us slowly. We finally won after 60 minutes.

      That said, you may have very bad luck and what you said might be true. The last 3 days I got matched, with absolutely newcomers that barely have any idea of the dota mechanics. This is particularly common in normal games, and rare in ranked after 4K. No idea what parameters are used for the matchmaking in normal, but seems like none, like you search and you got matched with whomever is searching for games in that server at that moment in time.

      You may want to create an smurf account just to convince yourself whether it is or not bad luck or some sort of hidden MMR affecting your main account.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by pent1um View Post
        First of all, don't take it too seriously. Just played a 5 carry match , 2 of them went jungle, and the AM went mid. The first 40 minutes, they enemy team owned us and mocked until they got too confident, went Rambo mode and fed us slowly. We finally won after 60 minutes.

        That said, you may have very bad luck and what you said might be true. The last 3 days I got matched, with absolutely newcomers that barely have any idea of the dota mechanics. This is particularly common in normal games, and rare in ranked after 4K. No idea what parameters are used for the matchmaking in normal, but seems like none, like you search and you got matched with whomever is searching for games in that server at that moment in time.

        You may want to create an smurf account just to convince yourself whether it is or not bad luck or some sort of hidden MMR affecting your main account.
        I think there is a hidden MMR for normal games, but I am not 100% certain of that. I too have been seeing a lot of noobish things the past couple days, both in ranked and normal mode. It makes it hard even in normal mode to pick a hero to complete your quests because your not sure what your teammates will do. Looking at their picks in comparison to the enemy picks, DOES NOT WORK. Because the second you do, you will get the noob picking Alchemist expecting a late game victory and then he just feeds, and feeds, and then after jungling to catch up he feeds some more. It just happens. S,o now I will have to wait till a little later on to do my quests. I got my win rate and MMR back but I only finished 1 quest at 1 star today

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        • #5
          Ranked hasn't been as bad as unranked, but I am not doing quests and daily heros in ranked. I'm only 2k in ranked, spamming Omni currently to raise that. It still can get pretty bad, but not nearly as hopeless as unranked. In unranked, The other team will pick 5 mega late carries, and then win in 30 minutes. The shit is unreal.

          Unfortunately for me, I have a full time job, and so barely have enough time to play DotA. The compendium is another matter entirely, I feel compelled to complete as many challenges as I can and I want to 3 star everything like I did for TI6, and it's just impossible.

          I remember very clearly that there are hidden variables at play (such as a hidden MMR, but other things as well) that go into matching unranked, the difference with ranked is just that your MMR is actually displayed.
          Last edited by Celly; 10-27-2016, 06:15 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cyberpinoy View Post
            I think there is a hidden MMR for normal games, but I am not 100% certain of that. I too have been seeing a lot of noobish things the past couple days, both in ranked and normal mode. It makes it hard even in normal mode to pick a hero to complete your quests because your not sure what your teammates will do. Looking at their picks in comparison to the enemy picks, DOES NOT WORK. Because the second you do, you will get the noob picking Alchemist expecting a late game victory and then he just feeds, and feeds, and then after jungling to catch up he feeds some more. It just happens. S,o now I will have to wait till a little later on to do my quests. I got my win rate and MMR back but I only finished 1 quest at 1 star today
            My guess is Valve disables the hidden MMR for normal games whenever they launch a battle pass. Today, for example, got a Lone Druid who didn't skill bear first. Went to his profile and discovered he was 1.5K.

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            • #7
              Is there any answer to this? Why do I keep getting paired up? Have I played DotA too long that the system thinks it should just pair me up forever? Do I have a bad behavior score that makes Valve want to actively punish me?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Celly View Post
                Is there any answer to this? Why do I keep getting paired up? Have I played DotA too long that the system thinks it should just pair me up forever? Do I have a bad behavior score that makes Valve want to actively punish me?
                I don't think so. I experience just the same, it's getting worse. I don't have fun playing "annoying" games (aka games that will be way harder than they should be because that one guy picked PL into Ember and built Radiance or Medusa into Antimage and goes Ancient farming). But I think in my case it's a downward spiral because I usually afk in those games which lowers my rating.

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                • #9
                  I still try even when it's hopeless. I have, on rare occasions, come back from the impossible, so I know it's worth holding on sometimes.

                  I have been having a bit better of a run as of the past few days, in most part because I joined up with some peeps for battle cup and have been partying with them on more than one occasion. We still get idiots but at least we can outnumber them, lol.

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                  • #10
                    This is the reason why me and almost all my friends were swithced to lol - bad matchmaking system. Valve said what mm works in the way to give each team 50% chance to win. But we see now that almost on all skill brackets 1 team has huge domination on other. This is not about "bad teammates" and all this shitty cryes, it's about not balanced teams. I think what 4\5 of my games is like or we or enemies have huge domination. And olny 1\5 of matches seems balanced with teams. This is boring and always make a bad expirience about games.
                    The second reason is community. I never saw before so toxic and unmannered community like in Dota2. Flamers, afkers, unmannered retards, motherfuckers - "best" community ever. Why in LOL riots worry about good behavior in game and punish players even for 2-3 acts of bad communication? But you don't take LP - they just block your mm function as long as you do not write "I'm sorry" to people which you had hurt. And if you don't get a LP or bad behavior punishment throughout the year they awarded you!!! They have godlike level of mm and almost all matches have balanced teams, they have system of reports and commends which WORKS! Then you loading and see enemies and teammates you see who of them have mark of "honorable opponent", "friendly", "helpful" and etc. Also you can see mark of high skill level if somebody take his signature hero. I had only once LP and only once I had to write a "sorry", but after it i never been toxic in game. For example, since 2012 I had about 12 LPs but still me and my teammates being mad always if team losing. This is the mark for me which system works good and which system just doesn't work.
                    Also the good point to riot too is that they have mm depend on roles which you selected.

                    But why Valve don't work on community behavior and MM? Because they don't give a fuck about players. Their most solvent region is China and chinese community is good and players are not mad of losing or something as NA or EU players. I still prefer dota in case of game quality, but with this community and MM dota is only a bad hat simulator for me.

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                    • #11
                      The problem is that League is a shitty game. DotA is a better game, just has shitty matchmaking.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I think if they just locked the regions like everyone has been bitching about for literally years, it would solve a lot of the problems people experience; Like Peruvians shitting up every game they play in.

                        The other problem is getting matched with dickhole stacks of players who just report you if you lose.
                        Petition to remove Single Draft. All Random is more balanced than Single Draft.

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                        • #13
                          This is still ongoing, I was hopeful that it was fixed, but no. Won 2 of my last 14. Still in living hell. It's a fucking joke. I get teammates who are all 200 gpm against competent opponents who group up and rape us in the ass. Over and over and over again.

                          Not finishing my compendium. I regret even buying one. It's a fucking joke, and valve doesn't give two fucks.

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