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Fix the toxic community assap (Reporting system)

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  • Fix the toxic community assap (Reporting system)

    So here is the problem you give power to toxic flaming people with the current reporting system. This means that people who actually behave during matches risk ending up in low priority doing absolutely nothing wrong. Recently I have seen around 50% of my friends end up in low prio and a week ago it was my turn for the first time to end in low priority. I been around Dota for more than 10 years and seen how the community have gotten worse, for now I will not be playing anymore pub games untill valve take the issue serious and look into fixing it.

    Here is my suggest towards improving the current reporting system. First of people who are toxic should not really be able to report others, the easy way to do this is to disable the reporting system for people who have been in low priority first time it could be disabled for a month second time 6months. This way we don't have toxic players reporting others for no reason. Second thing people who is in a stack should not be able to make more than 1 report towards a player and the whole stack should lose a report for this to avoid toxic stacks. Same goes the other way it should be possible to report a stack of players with only 1 report, this should also be implemented.

    Please Devs look into this assap.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Xentrope
    This is a very good suggestion. +1. At least this would curb down report system abusers. But i think the time window is too large though. A week of disabling should suffice.
    this is a good suggestion to you? This dude's suggestion is like whoever fires the gun first wins no matter whether they are toxic or behaving players. Let's say I'm a toxic guy and I somehow manage to put the blame on a guy who's behaving in the game and he is reported and gets into low priority. Since I managed to get him into low priority despite I'm the actual toxic one now he loses his reporting rights on top of getting low priority. All alike suggestions like this are not helping at all. People should realize that the system is broken because it cannot detect actual toxicity they do not have an algorithm for that and it relies solely on "individual" votes who will always have subjectivity elements in it. You must see that applying the suggestion of the OP would make things even worse.

    Acknowledge already that currently players are reported for playing bad - again subjective opinion of the reporter- aswell, which is something wrong. People shouldn't be able to report a player for playing bad. It's not the definition of intentional feeding or ability abuse. This is idiotic as the purpose of report system should be to block toxic players and make the environment a newbie friendly place right? I have already suggested thousands of times. Numbers don't lie so implementing an algorithm to detect intentional feeding or afking on purpose or following the same guy for dividing his experience into two and doing nothing shouldn't be hard to detect. These behaviors are actual feeding and throwing the games on purpose.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Xentrope
      It is at least better than your previous idea of removing a punishment all together to solve the abuse since this suggestion is limiting it.
      Sry wut's dat? Did u say removing a punishment? Jokes on u. Ya it's better for a certain hater here who believes there shd no punishment in games for the general toxic behavior dat is unwelcoming to new players.
      Last edited by Jace; 02-25-2017, 01:57 AM.
      Originally posted by todd24
      Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Xentrope
        Yeah it's a good suggestion if keeping the current automated system. You are deluded if you believe most people actually/truly report for intentional feeding and throwing games. Most of the reports are out of frustration for losing a game i.e false reporting like the OP has said. They are not true reports. So it is better to disable the reporting for about a week or so. Not long as the OP suggested, that's so unfair provided your point about who fires the shots at first. This point can be even applied to the current report system as it being automated is the reason why people are able to false report in the the first place. It is at least better than your previous idea of removing a punishment all together to solve the abuse since this suggestion is limiting it.

        Implementing rules to auto detect certain amount of feeding can be done based on K/D/A. But it is difficult to detect ability abuse or trolls. AFK also already has a rule that autodetects and gives an abandon.

        If you want a better report system, it has to be the long suggested and awaited appeal/tribunal system that would completely nullify such cases of false reporting. Not removing the system or narrowing the amount of punishments it can give out.
        Is my english really bad or yours? I said myself that current players are reported for playing bad. meaning that they do not mostly get reported for actual feeding. The OP suggests that those who get into low priority should be stripped off of their report rights. So if someone gets in low prio he is unable to report other players because he was in low priority.

        and I quote from OP: "First of people who are toxic should not really be able to report others, the easy way to do this is to disable the reporting system for people who have been in low priority first time it could be disabled for a month second time 6months."

        See this!? He doesnt say disable reporting for 1 week. He says disable reporting for those who got into low prio. Remove their right to report other players.

        Edit:

        and you also say "AFK also already has a rule that autodetects and gives an abandon." Yo umsut be joking right? This is not working at all they all know that if they get exp once in a while they wont get an abandon. They buy shadow amulets or manage somehow to get exp within 5 minutes and then go afk again.
        Last edited by yougotme; 02-25-2017, 02:35 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Xentrope
          Lol. You can cherry pick 1 part of the whole thing and forget the other, I get your play here so I think I will stop replying. Been there already. I explicitly didn't say he said for a week or so but...it was from my own post in support of this though saying it should not be a so long time window for disabling. From OP's original post:



          If you are so much into defending rights, then don't be so biased into thinking only toxic people have rights. That's my end statement.
          My problem with the suggestion is not about the damn duration of the suggestion I don't give a damn if it's 1 week or 6 months. And you highlight that part as if it's withing context or it will change a thing. The suggestion of removing report rights of a low priority player is nonsense in itself entirely got it??? People falsely get reported and put into low priority. Without fixing false reports you cannot do the OP's suggestion. Still those who get falsely reported will not have any reports left. If you didn't understand what is OP's suggestion read it again and again until you understand.


          I just laugh at you. You are a thick skulled person clearly please do not reply if you don't like. Your arguments, interpretations and logic are terrible anyways.

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          • #6
            Is my english really bad or yours?
            Yours is obviously. Yeah, it's me here typing in full grammar because you can't read this otherwise.

            The OP suggests that those who get into low priority should be stripped off of their report rights. So if someone gets in low prio he is unable to report other players because he was in low priority.
            Errr... I think ppl in LP can't report anymore so y don't u talk about dat mr.rights advocate. Well it's mostly toxic ppl dat do the false reporting so idk wut's ur problem with dis unless u r 1 among them.

            and you also say "AFK also already has a rule that autodetects and gives an abandon." Yo umsut be joking right? This is not working at all they all know that if they get exp once in a while they wont get an abandon. They buy shadow amulets or manage somehow to get exp within 5 minutes and then go afk again.
            Dis. every reply u posted here has been finding faults in his argument out of sheer hatred and nth else. U even ignored him saying about the tribunal thing, well played.
            Originally posted by todd24
            Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by yougotme View Post
              I just laugh at you. You are a thick skulled person clearly please do not reply if you don't like. Your arguments, interpretations and logic are terrible anyways.
              Nah it's ur dat is terrible. U just find ways to attack a person who u hate against plain and simple as dat, ignoring even a good point said at the end addressing current system can be improved or change lul.
              Originally posted by todd24
              Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jace View Post
                Yours is obviously. Yeah, it's me here typing in full grammar because you can't read this otherwise.


                Errr... I think ppl in LP can't report anymore so y don't u talk about dat mr.rights advocate. Well it's mostly toxic ppl dat do the false reporting so idk wut's ur problem with dis unless u r 1 among them.


                Dis. every reply u posted here has been finding faults in his argument out of sheer hatred and nth else. U even ignored him saying about the tribunal thing, well played.

                Dude You cannot report in low priority I know that. The OP suggests that once you get into low priority your reporting rights are disabled for 1 week or for a period of time regardless of the games you play in.... got it????? So you get in low prio once and your rights to report are disabled for 1 week even you get out of low priority you will not be able to report anyone for 1 week. Because you were in low priority OH my god how hard is to understand what I'm trying to defend here.

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                • #9
                  Both of you @Jace & @Xentrope defend OP's suggestion with the assumption of "currently only toxic players get into low priority" So assuming that this was the case OP's suggestion is good. Of course if we are certain that a well deserved toxic player's report right should be removed but I'm trying to defend that as long as there are falsely reported people OP's suggestion will not work because they will be affected by this suggestion. NOT the actual toxic players. Please tell me you understand this time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yougotme View Post
                    So you get in low prio once and your rights to report are disabled for 1 week even you get out of low priority you will not be able to report anyone for 1 week. OH my god how hard is to understand what I'm trying to defend here.
                    So then improve his suggestion by changing dis particular part about his suggestion "you get in low prio once and your rights to report are disabled for 1 week even you get out of low priority you will not be able to report anyone for 1 week." to ->
                    If you get in low prio frequently like an absurd amount of times like >5 every week, dis person is determined to be extremely harmful to the community or toxic so disable report rights for a set amount of time"
                    Still sounds illogical? K u've got a problem with me then.
                    Originally posted by todd24
                    Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by yougotme View Post
                      Please tell me you understand this time.
                      Read my above post, Already got ur point about ppl unfairly sent to LP also losing their rights along with actual toxic players.
                      Originally posted by todd24
                      Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jace View Post
                        So then improve his suggestion by changing dis particular part about his suggestion "you get in low prio once and your rights to report are disabled for 1 week even you get out of low priority you will not be able to report anyone for 1 week." to ->


                        Still sounds illogical? K u've got a problem with me then.

                        Even behaving people get into low priority and recieve communication bans back to back non-stop. It's like mafia once you get in you never get out because your account is flagged and reports towards you become more effective. This is my guess at least I don't know how the system actually works. So I cannot improve OP's suggestion by saying "well 6 months is too much 1 week would sufice" because it's too soon to improve it since we don't have actually solved the false reporting issue.

                        But I think you assume false reports are mostly because of toxic players reporting behaving players. Then this becomes a chicken egg situation. What is the cause of the other? Still then you ignore the fact that you cannot detect real toxic players. False reports are mainly caused because of this. Not because those who got into low priority have reporting rights and keep falsely reporting people again and again after they get out of LP. This thread is like when we get to Mars we should do this we shouldnt do that etc.. But first we need to figure how to get to Mars right?
                        Last edited by yougotme; 02-25-2017, 03:14 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by yougotme View Post
                          This thread is like when we get to Mars we should do this we shouldnt do that etc.. But first we need to figure how to get to Mars right?
                          Sry but same can be said for ur other thread from where i'm standing.

                          So I think we both can agree current automated report system is not wut we need. We need something better. And better is obviously a system dat is not automated completely and will allow a person to appeal if someone feels he/she got wrongfully punished for something he/she didn't do. But well, Valve is too lazy to implement it even if there could be a volunteer tribunal or something like CS:GO's overwatch like system where high ranking players be the judge.
                          Originally posted by todd24
                          Hi, my name is toddler. I'm an insecure troll who needs constant pampering with "entertainment" because I'm also a spoiled rich brat who can't stop pestering people till I get what I want. I will also stalk you for the rest of your life if you keep giving me my daily dose of attention since I'm lonely and need friends. I play vs bots and trashtalk others on forums 24/7 . Please send help!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jace View Post
                            Sry but same can be said for ur other thread from where i'm standing.

                            So I think we both can agree current automated report system is not wut we need. We need something better. And better is obviously a system dat is not automated completely and will allow a person to appeal if someone feels he/she got wrongfully punished for something he/she didn't do. But well, Valve is too lazy to implement it even if there could be a volunteer tribunal or something like CS:GO's overwatch like system where high ranking players be the judge.
                            I still disagree on that issue. I still defend communication bans to be removed entirely because it's not the proportional punishment for those who are abusing communication. To me placing communication wise toxic players together in a seperate non-low-priority pool would be better. Let those who rage and flame play with each other and give them a taste of their own medicine. Muting globally only harms others who try to enjoy the game as in my case. I am tired of playing with muted teammates. A well deserved punishment should affect only the person who deserved it. Can you say that me or others who are playing with muted players are not affected by his punishment? They simply pick core roles and only spam chat wheel phrases which is not enought. And to me a core player should be the leading player in a team but they cannot do that since they are muted. But you will still defend its necessity I know and I gave up arguing on this issue. To you cutting the tongue is the proportional punishment and to me smth else.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jace View Post
                              Sry but same can be said for ur other thread from where i'm standing.

                              So I think we both can agree current automated report system is not wut we need. We need something better. And better is obviously a system dat is not automated completely and will allow a person to appeal if someone feels he/she got wrongfully punished for something he/she didn't do. But well, Valve is too lazy to implement it even if there could be a volunteer tribunal or something like CS:GO's overwatch like system where high ranking players be the judge.
                              About the overwatch suggestion I can see why it's hard for them to implement this to dota2 because the match lengths can vary unlike CS:GO There will be hundreds of thousands of matches to be scrutinized and people start feeding on purpose at different stages of the game you can never get the whole picture from a few selected frames/summary of the games in dota2. I know it would be nice to have actual people evaluating matches but it's very hard I believe. To me a well developed algorithm that cannot be figured out how it works by abusers by taking randomized data is the real solution. I have a few ideas about it - which data should be used in detecting it and I will create a thread about it soon. But believe me my ideas are not simple stuff like KDA or hero damage xpm as they can still cause false reports.

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