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  • #31
    Originally posted by klaarnou View Post
    After the new batch of changes you can defend it with fresh resolve.
    It must be prefect now after the 5th update.
    It actually might be after all of this bullshit with it. I just had all my reports on me fall off after playing 6 bot matches. Not ready to make a concrete conclusion but they definitely made it harder now to get slammed. At least one report falls off after enough games and with the new threshold as high as it is you might actually have to put effort in burning a hole in people's eardrums with anger to get a mute.

    I don't like that it's 1 report needed as soon as you come off a ban while being inactive during it... but it's not a dealbreaker. All you'd have to do is just play a small number of bot matches (likely less than 6) to shrug all previous reports off. Or you could play live matches and go crazy with the pings and "Well Played"s just to soak up oblivious players' reports without harm if you are muted still.

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    • #32
      Well Played!

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      • #33
        I'll keep calling bullshit on this until the day I personally get muted without reason, which has NEVER happened yet.
        Originally posted by daed
        This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by score View Post
          Jesus, did you really have to make a video? I'm pretty sure Valve already knows, judging by all the 298301092183901382190318 posts and threads everyday
          Step 1: People complain about the mute system, LOTS of valve indoctrinates that believe anything they read, go and say "The mute is fine! works perfectly!"
          Step 2: People get pissed about those statements, and start supporting their claims with pictures....Valve indoctrinates go and say "B...but!...your picture proves nothing! maybe you did this or that in between pictures!"
          Step 3: To prove the system is wrong, people record STEP by STEP the tests of the mute system.....Valve indoctrinates say "Oh arent you going too far by posting and making videos proving me wrong?"

          Thanks for participating

          Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
          I'll keep calling bullshit on this until the day I personally get muted without reason, which has NEVER happened yet.
          I have never been robbed in my life... hence crime doesn't exists...so anyone who claims crime exists is LYING!(No matter how much hard evidence they provide) That person is probably just trying to scam an insurance company...or..something?

          Smart statement ~
          Last edited by Shmendrich; 07-04-2013, 03:21 AM.
          Make a NON automated report system.
          I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
          Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
          The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Shmendrich View Post
            I have never been robbed in my life... hence crime doesn't exists...so anyone who claims crime exists is LYING!(No matter how much hard evidence they provide) That person is probably just trying to scam an insurance company...or..something?

            "Smart" statement ~
            yet you still lock the door every night as a precaution, so how about you stop behaving as if you deserve to be muted.

            "Fuck you valve", "this system is shit", giant annoying red letter sigs.

            the people that complain about mute system are the ones with the most stupid behaviour in this forum, it amazes me how they still think they are right.
            Originally posted by daed
            This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
              yet you still lock the door every night as a precaution
              Locking the door is what we are asking of valve, a lot of people is providing FIRM EVIDENCE that the current mute system is EASY to abuse

              yet you dont believe it

              Well, up to you, as the other guy said "Yeah maybe the 6th fix of the system is the good one, even tho there's always been players who say "Its all working gooooood" even when we had infinite reports and could report players you never played with X)


              Oh and I know some people arent, but I and others have been pretty civilized in all my comments and the posts I have started about the mute system, however if big red letters are an insult to you, or if you feel abused by them........well.....X)
              Make a NON automated report system.
              I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
              Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
              The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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              • #37
                I have never been robbed in my life... hence crime doesn't exists...so anyone who claims crime exists is LYING!(No matter how much hard evidence they provide) That person is probably just trying to scam an insurance company...or..something?
                Isn't that analogy wrong?
                Saying that robbing doesn't exist would be equivalent to saying that harassment doesn't exist... cause that's the crime.
                I think a better analogy would be.
                "I havn't been falsely punished for robbing, hence false punishment doesn't exist". Since the issue with the mute system is being punished wrongly, not that you are a victim of the crime (harassment).

                And I would say being falsely punished happen less often than the amount of people actually doing the deeds.
                Last edited by Kumori; 07-04-2013, 05:02 AM.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Kumori View Post
                  I think a better analogy would be.
                  "I havn't been falsely punished for robbing, hence false punishment doesn't exist". Since the issue with the mute system is being punished wrongly, not that you are a victim of the crime (harassment).
                  Yeah in a way your analogy is better, but then again I also consider false reporting a crime, its like a girl crying rape when all the guy did was break up with her.

                  Its people abusing the system to have someone wrongly punished and take revenge for whatever reason, in that case you become the victim of the crime, a different one but a crime nonetheless, and worse if you ask me.
                  Make a NON automated report system.
                  I would rather wait 10 minutes for a balanced, fun and exciting match that will last 1+ hours. Than wait 10 seconds for a poorly balanced crapmatch that will end in 30- minutes
                  Valve, How I'm I supposed to respect certain boundaries to prevent a mute if I dont know them because they are different for each and every person on each and every game I play?
                  The only type of player that dislikes having his stats public are the players that suck and cheaters

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                  • #39
                    In real life and in more serious crimes I would agree.
                    But I would say in my experience, the people who abuse the system the most are the ones that has been a victim of it. This forum is a great proof for that.
                    Alot of people saying it's a bs system and they have been muted so now they just report everyone and anyone for nothing.

                    Had several people starting to trashtalk and flame / harass me and others and threatened to report. I will just assume they also did report.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
                      I'll keep calling bullshit on this until the day I personally get muted without reason, which has NEVER happened yet.
                      Hypocrite Alert!!

                      On a serious note
                      Come down to Earth , Great God of manners. In an actual game you can get reported for saying the word bullshit since its offensive to me.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kumori View Post
                        In real life and in more serious crimes I would agree.
                        But I would say in my experience, the people who abuse the system the most are the ones that has been a victim of it. This forum is a great proof for that.
                        Alot of people saying it's a bs system and they have been muted so now they just report everyone and anyone for nothing.

                        Had several people starting to trashtalk and flame / harass me and others and threatened to report. I will just assume they also did report.
                        Ok buddy, lets take your scenario stated above. (focus on player t)
                        So player x abuses the system muting player player t player y player z
                        player t abuses the system muting player a player b player c

                        player t comes to forum cries about mute system and its unfair muting of him.

                        Now fair judges of the planet Earth. What is the reason of player t to becoming a villain (he was formerly fighting for good so he was an hero) ?


                        My answer -> player x . Now dear Kumori i have a high percentage of suspicion that you must be this player x. Why man, why did you mute player t

                        ps - my wild immagination. was bored.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Racerkid View Post
                          Hypocrite Alert!!

                          On a serious note
                          Come down to Earth , Great God of manners. In an actual game you can get reported for saying the word bullshit since its offensive to me.
                          It's not really hypocritical, this is a hard matter to actually have proof for.
                          Same like alot of people call bullshit on religion until themselves get a revelation or something. Regardless of all the "see the light", "you know it to be true" yadda yadda.
                          Changing your opinion when new experiences / proof is provided for you is not hypocritical, that's being rational.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Kumori View Post
                            Changing your opinion when new experiences / proof is provided for you is not hypocritical, that's being rational.
                            There was enough proof given by F2P in his thread. Video proof , i believe for a logical person that should be convincing enough.

                            Who do i call a hypocrite?
                            Even after seeing over whelming proof sticks to his same dumbass point, im the only one right !! the rest are wrong. This is what a hypocrite is.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Racerkid View Post
                              Ok buddy, lets take your scenario stated above. (focus on player t)
                              So player x abuses the system muting player player t player y player z
                              player t abuses the system muting player a player b player c

                              player t comes to forum cries about mute system and its unfair muting of him.

                              Now fair judges of the planet Earth. What is the reason of player t to becoming a villain (he was formerly fighting for good so he was an hero) ?


                              My answer -> player x . Now dear Kumori i have a high percentage of suspicion that you must be this player x. Why man, why did you mute player t

                              ps - my wild immagination. was bored.
                              You are wrong, I don't abuse it.
                              And yes, abuse happens.
                              I'm not denying that.

                              And anyone abusing the system is at fault, doesn't matter if they became a victim of it before.
                              You can't justify being a robber just because you got robbed yourself.
                              Last edited by Kumori; 07-04-2013, 06:06 AM.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Racerkid View Post
                                Hypocrite Alert!!

                                On a serious note
                                Come down to Earth , Great God of manners. In an actual game you can get reported for saying the word bullshit since its offensive to me.
                                there is a difference between saying a curse word not directed at anyone and doing this:

                                Originally posted by daed
                                This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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