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  • #61
    Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
    I'm sure you would get a restraining order in real life if someone insulted you.
    ...no... I'd call the cops

    /sarcasm

    Real life is different man. The most I would do if it ever got to a pathetic level of rudeness and show of inappropriate behavior is have a cop possibly arrest you for disturbing the peace. In a game though... I'd just player-mute you I suppose. I don't personally care for the mute system, but if it upsets players like YOU? I don't give a shit to be quite honest.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
      ...no... I'd call the cops

      /sarcasm

      Real life is different man. The most I would do if it ever got to a pathetic level of rudeness and show of inappropriate behavior is have a cop possibly arrest you for disturbing the peace. In a game though... I'd just player-mute you I suppose. I don't personally care for the mute system, but if it upsets players like YOU? I don't give a shit to be quite honest.
      I'm not muted at the moment. Haven't been muted for weeks but I can recognize how broken and awful this system is. I won't even use the chat unless I absolutely have to.
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      Mute system is just another attack on freedom of speech. CENSORSHIP IN THE PUREST FORM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
        I haven't been muted for a long time but I hate this system. It's broken and it needs fixing.

        But you're still wrong about the matchmaking.
        Well, if anything freedom of speech does allow you to disagree with people even in the face of logic so... do what you want. Still, you can't say that players don't want to punish you for attacking them verbally. If there was no penalty for trashtalking, well-mannered players would end up becoming angrier over time and eventually they would start feeding on purpose and trolling people that piss them off. They could end up getting LPQ... but then: smurf account!

        So, make your choice: you behave and get no mute, you get muted by people that you pissed off or you end up getting trolled hard by people that you pissed off.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
          Just tell the guy what he did wrong or inquire about his/her actions and be done with it.
          If you are in a mild skill bracket upwards ,politely asking a player who thinks he's pro why he would towerdive with 50 hp to try the most uncertain of kills and die miserably will get you a communication abuse report 100% of times. If you then politely ask him to stop doing that and give him a tip as to how to avoid such a situation, you'll likely see him do it another three times and tell the other players to report you as well. God forbid you accuse one of these players of intentional feed.

          To my experience most people do not report you because of WHAT you say, they report you for saying anything at all.
          The mute system should somehow detect cursing, spamming, flooding and such. As it is, POLITENESS is irrelevant.

          SILENCE, is the rule. Ima go play Silencer for a bit, brb.
          Originally posted by CvP
          Get better at dota.
          A matchmaking system that emulates five-player parties based on teamplay-oriented recommendations---> http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=97602

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          • #65
            Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
            I won't even use the chat unless I absolutely have to.
            That's what it is there for. Communicate strategy, and a few good sportsmanship comments like "gg". Everyone is happy.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by rtkufner View Post
              The mute system should somehow detect cursing, spamming, flooding and such. As it is, POLITENESS is irrelevant.
              Maybe it should. No idea myself. I'd rather just get of the muting and just add a whitelist/blacklist containing words and phrases you can/cannot use and be done with it. Anti-spam support should be in the game as well. Anti-ping spam of course as well.

              I don't really like muting people in general (back when you only had the option to mute players yourself), because it would leave the muted person unable to communicate strategy with you at all. Sure, I don't want to see inappropriate comments because they don't help towards victory in our match at all, but similarly I don't want to prevent comments that DO.

              So I guess you could say I AM against muting, but the idea behind it is interesting. I'd like to see changes or possibly even replacement of the entire thing.

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              • #67
                If only someone would invent something like a word filter... But I suppose that's too high-tech for our current systems.
                Originally posted by CvP
                Get better at dota.
                A matchmaking system that emulates five-player parties based on teamplay-oriented recommendations---> http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=97602

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by rtkufner View Post
                  If only someone would invent something like a word filter... But I suppose that's too high-tech for our current systems.
                  It is.

                  On a more serious note: It would probably be a pain in the ass to do it for each and every language they plan on supporting.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
                    That's what it is there for. Communicate strategy, and a few good sportsmanship comments like "gg". Everyone is happy.
                    I can't even say "gg" in the fear of getting muted. I never absolutely say ANYTHING(even important things) unless I know there is a minor chance of me getting muted. Drawing attention to yourself is just asking for a mute.

                    "DUDE you need to stop autoattacking the creeps because you're warlock and the support. I'm the carry so please let me last hit so I can farm." = Warlock saying "FUK U NOOB REPOTED!"
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                    Mute system is just another attack on freedom of speech. CENSORSHIP IN THE PUREST FORM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
                      "DUDE you need to stop autoattacking the creeps because you're warlock and the support. I'm the carry so please let me last hit so I can farm." = Warlock saying "FUK U NOOB REPOTED!"
                      Are you sure...? Did that even happen? I would find it more possibly that insults had occurred and that those weren't quite the words you used.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
                        Are you sure...? Did that even happen? I would find it more possibly that insults had occurred and that those weren't quite the words you used.
                        I have personally seen people muted for less. People have reported not saying a single thing and getting muted.
                        sigpic
                        Mute system is just another attack on freedom of speech. CENSORSHIP IN THE PUREST FORM.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
                          Are you sure...? Did that even happen? I would find it more possibly that insults had occurred and that those weren't quite the words you used.
                          Sadly yes. I'm not saying it ALWAYS happens, but it does happen, especially if the other guy has more ego than common sense - Which in midskill bracket is much more common than anyone would want.
                          Then, by midgame as your ranged support who thinks he's a carry has stolen all your farm, he accuses you of blow1ng a$$ for not being able to keep up with the other team's carry that got proper farm, and will request that the rest of the team report you.
                          Originally posted by CvP
                          Get better at dota.
                          A matchmaking system that emulates five-player parties based on teamplay-oriented recommendations---> http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=97602

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
                            I have personally seen people muted for less. People have reported not saying a single thing and getting muted.
                            That's why I am under the impression that those people that got reported for "nothing" have either been lying, or got reported by some dude who is butthurt that they themselves are muted, or... maybe they died by the player they muted.

                            No doubt there is abuse though, but the abuse I am sure was planned by Valve. They maybe expected about 1% of players abuse reports at least. Maybe they hope those numbers will reduce as time passes. I'm guessing that is why they are "trying out" this new "feature".

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by mibuwolf View Post
                              That's why I am under the impression that those people that got reported for "nothing" have either been lying, or got reported by some dude who is butthurt that they themselves are muted, or... maybe they died by the player they muted.

                              No doubt there is abuse though, but the abuse I am sure was planned by Valve. They maybe expected about 1% of players abuse reports at least. Maybe they hope those numbers will reduce as time passes. I'm guessing that is why they are "trying out" this new "feature".
                              Sure everyone is lying...
                              sigpic
                              Mute system is just another attack on freedom of speech. CENSORSHIP IN THE PUREST FORM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by NoFreedomofSpeechSaysValv View Post
                                Sure everyone is lying...
                                We'll never know. I'm not the player that got muted, and a replay won't prove anything, so you or anyone else won't know either. I doubt these "innocent" players deserved a mute though -> didn't belong under communication abuse. People would use other options if they did anything at all, speaking of...

                                Does reporting for intentionally feeding actually do anything? Ability abuse, etc? I have my doubts.
                                Last edited by mibuwolf; 07-05-2013, 03:14 PM.

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