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  • #46
    Originally posted by Paranoia14 View Post
    I was taking your advice when you started posting, right until I saw how you'd go to any extent to say "Valve mm best MM. You guys who complain about it are all trash tier and it's all your fault"

    Even though I pointed out, in every single game I spoke about, there were players who were new and they admitted it too, if anything, they need a fourth bracket for the really new players, since clearly the present system can't even nearly cut it.

    Additionally, your beloved Valve did just decide to take time off their cosmetics to make some attempt at improving mm. If it was as AMAZING as you seem to think it to be, they'd never have bothered.

    So, ty and Good Luck to you too.
    3 things:

    1) Don't misquote me.
    2) There are no matchmaking brackets as such, it's a continuous scale.
    3) Making cosmetics and working on the matchmaking require different skill sets. Unsuprisingly, a development company can do both at once.
    Last edited by Craig; 07-18-2013, 05:00 AM.
    To avoid LPQ:

    Don't draw attention to yourself
    Don't use voice or chat except for 'ss'
    Mute all at lvl 1
    Only play in parties
    Get alternate accounts
    Limit your usage to one or two games per day per account
    Don't play too well
    Don't play on Sunday or Monday
    Wait until the developers reset LPQ status

    If you're getting matched with trolls or feeders:

    You may have been placed in a hidden pool. There is no known way out of this, apart from moving to a different account.

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    • #47
      Additionally, your beloved Valve did just decide to take time off their cosmetics to make some attempt at improving mm.
      I hate it when people say this...
      That's basically like saying that graphic artists should be unemployed until they fix whatever you think is broken.
      つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Craig View Post
        3 things:

        1) Don't misquote me.
        2) There are no matchmaking brackets as such, it's a continuous scale.
        3) Making cosmetics and working on the matchmaking require different skill sets. Unsuprisingly, a development company can do both at once.
        1) I was just giving the gist of what you say in every single post. Yes the quotes shouldn't have been there, my bad. It still holds true though.
        2) Well there's just normal, high and very high and when I find myself in normal along with players who are genuinely new. I know this system is completely broken.
        3) Unsurprisingly, this development company had been doing one of the two until it finally realizes how terribly broken their system is. So kudos to them for that, better late than never.

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        • #49
          3) Unsurprisingly, this development company had been doing one of the two until it finally realizes how terribly broken their system is. So kudos to them for that, better late than never.
          How do you know?
          Working on a system can take times, even changes to it can take time.
          It's not like they have been sitting on their asses doing nothing until 2 hours to patch release where they worked.
          They have probably worked on it up untill the patch release.

          And now? My guess is that they are starting to work on other improvements and optimiziation of the system... why?
          Because there isn't any cost efficiency to hire and employe programmers who do nothing. And I highly doubt they fired them after this patch.

          If I were you, i would just stop talking like you know how the development works.
          1) you don't seem to know how game development works
          2) it serves no purpose except that you look ignorant
          つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Solo Queue

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kumori View Post
            How do you know?
            Working on a system can take times, even changes to it can take time.
            It's not like they have been sitting on their asses doing nothing until 2 hours to patch release where they worked.
            They have probably worked on it up untill the patch release.

            And now? My guess is that they are starting to work on other improvements and optimiziation of the system... why?
            Because there isn't any cost efficiency to hire and employe programmers who do nothing. And I highly doubt they fired them after this patch.

            If I were you, i would just stop talking like you know how the development works.
            1) you don't seem to know how game development works
            2) it serves no purpose except that you look ignorant
            While the cosmetics statement was definitely far from true it was meant to be a jibe at them for not having done anything to change the broken mm in so long.

            If I were you, I'd stop trying to explain how development works to someone who works in a software development firm.

            Like I said, they seem to have made some efforts to improve their system, so it makes no sense arguing about it now. Unless of course, you want to go Craig mode and talk about how it was never broken.

            To which I'd post yet some more proof about getting a completely clueless player on the team when I queued just this evening after I got home. Did eventually win, but why do I have to deal with a troll warlord who had never played the hero before (which he stated later). He said he wants mid against SF when the others on the team asked him to let sniper mid and they'd trilane top to help him farm. He goes "stfu, you have never seen me play, so don't talk, I always win my lane." I told them to stop fighting and just focus on letting sniper farm well top. Troll then fed the SF thrice very early on. Then when Ogre got mad at him, he says, "Did you see I randomed the hero? Blind? It's my first time on this hero, so it doesn't matter." I gave up all hopes on him and asked OM to accompany me in ganks, told him I'd ward and carry dust even though I went solo offlane to start off, but just need him to stay with me. He obliged and was a huge help all game. Definitely not finding a game solo until the update rolls out though.



            PS: Before Craig decides to fault the items in quick buy, I do always disassemble arcanes into bloodstone but still shift click the whole thing into quick buy anyway.
            Last edited by Paranoia14; 07-18-2013, 09:03 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Paranoia14 View Post
              To which then I'd post yet some more proof about getting a completely clueless player on the team when I queued just this evening after I got home. Did eventually win, but why do I have to deal with a troll warlord who had never played the hero before (which he stated later). He said he wants mid against SF when the others on the team asked him to let sniper mid and they'd trilane top to help him farm. He goes stfu, you have never seen me play, so don't talk, I always win my lane. I told them to stop fighting and just focus on letting sniper farm well top. Troll then fed the SF thrice very early on. Then when Ogre got mad at him, he says, "Did you see I randomed the hero? Blind? It's my first time on this hero, so it doesn't matter." I gave up all hopes on him and asked OM to accompany me in ganks, told him I'd ward and carry dust even though I went solo offlane to start off, but just need him to stay with me. He obliged and was a huge help all game. Definitely not finding a game solo until the update rolls out though.
              You're playing in Normal Rank. Of course your matches are full of "clueless" players. There is nothing new, interesting or abnormal in any of your "evidence".
              Last edited by Craig; 07-18-2013, 09:06 AM.
              To avoid LPQ:

              Don't draw attention to yourself
              Don't use voice or chat except for 'ss'
              Mute all at lvl 1
              Only play in parties
              Get alternate accounts
              Limit your usage to one or two games per day per account
              Don't play too well
              Don't play on Sunday or Monday
              Wait until the developers reset LPQ status

              If you're getting matched with trolls or feeders:

              You may have been placed in a hidden pool. There is no known way out of this, apart from moving to a different account.

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              • #52
                Well the problem is simple, they don't really have a decent matchmaking system in place yet - something they should've done before beta ended.

                If you take a look it's not so dissimilar from warcraft 3's "Play Game" button which just matched you up and sent you on your way.
                They have almost the exact same philosophy in a game which has a huge difference in actual skills across the board.

                1) There should be like 10 different brackets instead there's 2. If you slip into the lower bracket right now, you may as well consign your soul to the abyss forever because you will never climb back out without team queueing.
                2) The individual skill of the player should be the only thing taken into account in a solo queue, not whether the team won or lost - that should happen only in a TEAM queue.
                3) The solo queue and the team queue should NEVER MEET.
                4) Particular hero skills and abilities as well as role should be noted in a perfect system - Supports should count - wards placed, couriers bought, healing done, etc etc.. Carries could have a more k/d/a, gold farmed, etc... then just make a % score out of the particular things you're counting for those heroes and base peoples' rank on their abilities to play them. It's easier than it sounds.

                Valve:
                You have to understand most people do not HAVE TIME to find a team to play with in order to avoid the solo queue.
                They also don't HAVE TIME to waste playing with people with 20 wins.

                I sadly just had to re-download the HoN client as much as I love dota, the matchmaking breaks the enjoyment for me.
                Remove the report system please. It's unnecessary, unwanted and not working.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Craig View Post
                  You're playing in Normal Rank. Of course your matches are full of "clueless" players. There is nothing new, interesting or abnormal in any of your "evidence".
                  Precisely my point, now that you've finally stopped blaming, I can try to reason with you. Granted, I'm in normal now but am I really equal to someone who doesn't know what their abilities or items do? I never flamed them in game, I just checked their profile saw their wins and realized they weren't smurfing and got ridiculously mad at MM instead because we've all been there, at least I know I have, where I'd run like hell form a gyro missile and then die to it.

                  But just before I made this post, I was on an 8 game win streak and apparently according to MM, I still deserved to be stuck with people who 'are clueless' and the very next game was the weaver game I told you about. I'm not saying that 8 games won in a row should get me into high mm, but you tell me, should it still leave me stuck with newer players? The only reason I was giving you all the 'evidence' was because you'd wind up, in some way or another, attributing my team's loss to something I did and how I deserve to be in games like the ones I told you about.

                  Do I really always have to wait for a few friends to get on to be able to get a decent game? Is a balanced game too much to ask for?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Paranoia14 View Post
                    Precisely my point, now that you've finally stopped blaming, I can try to reason with you. Granted, I'm in normal now but am I really equal to someone who doesn't know what their abilities or items do? I never flamed them in game, I just checked their profile saw their wins and realized they weren't smurfing and got ridiculously mad at MM instead because we've all been there, at least I know I have, where I'd run like hell form a gyro missile and then die to it.

                    But just before I made this post, I was on an 8 game win streak and apparently according to MM, I still deserved to be stuck with people who 'are clueless' and the very next game was the weaver game I told you about. I'm not saying that 8 games won in a row should get me into high mm, but you tell me, should it still leave me stuck with newer players? The only reason I was giving you all the 'evidence' was because you'd wind up, in some way or another, attributing my team's loss to something I did and how I deserve to be in games like the ones I told you about.

                    Do I really always have to wait for a few friends to get on to be able to get a decent game? Is a balanced game too much to ask for?
                    It looks like you unshared your matched history a week ago, but your Dotabuff says you have 684 win and 704 losses, with a win rate of 49.28%. From there I'd estimate that you'd need to win 30 more games, than losses to get into High.
                    To avoid LPQ:

                    Don't draw attention to yourself
                    Don't use voice or chat except for 'ss'
                    Mute all at lvl 1
                    Only play in parties
                    Get alternate accounts
                    Limit your usage to one or two games per day per account
                    Don't play too well
                    Don't play on Sunday or Monday
                    Wait until the developers reset LPQ status

                    If you're getting matched with trolls or feeders:

                    You may have been placed in a hidden pool. There is no known way out of this, apart from moving to a different account.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Craig View Post
                      It looks like you unshared your matched history a week ago, but your Dotabuff says you have 684 win and 704 losses, with a win rate of 49.28%. From there I'd estimate that you'd need to win 30 more games, than losses to get into High.
                      But I was in high even when I had a less than 50% win rate and once very high too, which frankly I still don't know how, since I didn't even have any of my higher level friends with me. But the post was not all about getting into high, it's about having similar level players when you aren't in high. Apparently the new mm in the test hasn't done too well either. Hopefully it gets fixed >_<

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Paranoia14 View Post
                        But I was in high even when I had a less than 50% win rate and once very high too, which frankly I still don't know how, since I didn't even have any of my higher level friends with me. But the post was not all about getting into high, it's about having similar level players when you aren't in high. Apparently the new mm in the test hasn't done too well either. Hopefully it gets fixed >_<
                        We're going round in circles here, I know, but to get better players you need to win more games. You need to work out why you're only winning 49% of the games at your current skill level. Then you need to change that. I know it's hard to accept at first, but the match outcome is within your control in the vast majoirty of cases.

                        A small perentage of games are spoiled due to leavers, ragers, trolls and feeders, but in Normal rank you can easily win 4v5, 3v5 and I've even won a 1v5 before. The percentage of spoiled games falls off as you work your way to the top of Normal and into High, but there will still be some.

                        Unless you're trolling yourself, there is a 5/9 chance that if a game is spoiled, it will be by an enemy. That alone is enough to get you signficantly above 50%. As an example, let's say that you never spoil a game, and 9 in every 50 games are spoiled. 5 of those 9 will be by enemies, 4 of those 9 will be by teammates. That gives you a 51% win ratio right there, just by never spoiling a game.

                        Are you sure that you're not trolling yourself? It's often a difficult skill to learn, but try to hold yourself to the same standards that you expect of teammates and if they blame you, even if you don't accept the blame in the match, think about it later. Perhaps you could've done more. Perhaps you did throw a match that you could've won. If you have a tendency to blame teammates, perhaps you're giving up too soon.

                        It doesn't matter what they could've done differently, they're not likely to be in your matches again and even if they are you're not likely to change them. You're the one person that can affect the outcome of all your matches and that's what you need to work on and that will always be true for you and every one of us, if we want to improve our ranks.
                        Last edited by Craig; 07-18-2013, 01:16 PM.
                        To avoid LPQ:

                        Don't draw attention to yourself
                        Don't use voice or chat except for 'ss'
                        Mute all at lvl 1
                        Only play in parties
                        Get alternate accounts
                        Limit your usage to one or two games per day per account
                        Don't play too well
                        Don't play on Sunday or Monday
                        Wait until the developers reset LPQ status

                        If you're getting matched with trolls or feeders:

                        You may have been placed in a hidden pool. There is no known way out of this, apart from moving to a different account.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Craig View Post
                          You're playing in Normal Rank. Of course your matches are full of "clueless" players. There is nothing new, interesting or abnormal in any of your "evidence".
                          Odd, and still Valve bugfixes MM in this latest patch where it missmatched ppl totally. I think there is alot of missinformation in your posts.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by azrael109 View Post
                            Odd, and still Valve bugfixes MM in this latest patch where it missmatched ppl totally. I think there is alot of missinformation in your posts.
                            Show me some and I'll correct it.
                            To avoid LPQ:

                            Don't draw attention to yourself
                            Don't use voice or chat except for 'ss'
                            Mute all at lvl 1
                            Only play in parties
                            Get alternate accounts
                            Limit your usage to one or two games per day per account
                            Don't play too well
                            Don't play on Sunday or Monday
                            Wait until the developers reset LPQ status

                            If you're getting matched with trolls or feeders:

                            You may have been placed in a hidden pool. There is no known way out of this, apart from moving to a different account.

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                            • #59
                              I'm now in a game with 50 win omniknight who is stealing farm from me as OD, the only carry on team. he buys quelling blade and competes for every last hit

                              I have 1000 games, and now suddenly im with the most horrible players for no reason.

                              This game is fucked. Valve has ruined it

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by sea View Post
                                This game is fucked. Valve has ruined it
                                agree, last month its really terrible because of that fucked matchmaking (stupid kids) and those impossible lags almost every game...dont even count that almost every game there is many players who just disconnect for no reason and they arent coming back... before it was perfect game !
                                Last edited by DarkArlene0; 07-18-2013, 03:22 PM.

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